As cm/ea doesn't bother to give us a functioning game, which studio would you love to see as the new holders of f1 license?I remember seeing rumors a few years ago that the makers of assetto corsa had been in the talks, but they did not want to agree on yearly releases. But i would be intrigued to hear great studios who could actually build a great f1 game for us.

If the games buying public wants games publishers (all of them!) to stop releasing games with loads of issues at launch then we need to stop pre-ordering games. While everyone keeps doing this there is little incentive for anything to change.

Do you have a source for that Kunos rumour?Nowadays I spend most of my time on iRacing, but for a good chunk ACC was my main sim. Loved to pop in in the occasional Aris stream, used to hang around on their Discord a lot (still do, but not daily as before) and even their forums.All I heard was that Kunos had no interest in the F1 license mainly for the unwillingness of F1 teams to disclose data for the devs to work on.Aris always talk with pride about how long it took to foster a close relationship with Pirelli, manufacturers, and private SRO teams so that they could get to the point of getting real performance parameters for their GT3 and GT4 lineup, and even getting to take cars from privateers to track themselves. The last time I caught Aris answering a similar question from a viewer in one of his lives last year he said something along these lines if I remember correctly.There's a reason so much of ACC real data is encrypted in the game files – from aero maps to ICE ignition times, from chassis flex to turbo boost, from caster angles to weight distribution.In the meantime, you can basically edit performance parameters for Codemasters' F1 games on Notepad.Liberty Media does not want a F1 sim from Codemasters and EA. They want a profitable, widely available, widely accessible franchise to exploit their brand.When you follow people in the sim business closely, like Aristotelis Vasilakos from ACC or Nim Cross and David Tucker from iRacing, you get a sense that they have nothing but respect for what Codemasters has accomplished in reproducing the feel of driving a F1 car with the little data they from F1 teams and Pirelli.Which is obviously not to say that F1 is a good title; the franchise is clearly not in a good spot right now. Just that people in the simracing industry gives Codies a thumbs up considering how much of a videogame it is.

I want CM to retain the licence. More times than not I’m happy with the game but I never preorder or buy on release and not every year either. I wonder how many of the people criticising the product, line up year after year to preorder or buy on release or soon after. What’ll it be next year fellas? Same again? Give them your money and spend the rest of your time in abject disappointment, moaning and whining about what a useless bunch CM and EA are? If you don’t like it, stop buying it. Send texts, emails, whatever, to Liberty informing them of your disappointment in the product that represents their sport. Again, STOP BUYING THE GAME IF YOU DISLIKE IT SO MUCH! It’s like poking yourself in the eye with a stick, over and over and over again.Constructive criticism is great, but some of the nonsense I’ve witnessed in my many years on CM forums and now EA answers is just ridiculous, often the same people time and time again.

@ScarDuck14 wrote: Can’t see anyone paying more than EA for the licensing either…. FOM love money Yeah, found it odd to kickstart the discussion with the Kunos bit. If the rumour went that they did not settle with Liberty because of their demanding of a yearly franchise, isn't the underlying message exactly that? "We want max gains, not quality"?I'm really not in the mood to defend this franchise. F1 23 has the best handling I've seen in these games for a long while, but it's ridiculous to push for a full blown 60-70 price tag every year with this miserable number of reiterated issues and glacial progress on a proper single and multiplayer experience. That said, if the deal keeps on hitting FOM's revenue targets, do people really believe that Stefano Domenicali cares about simracing wheels not getting full torque, or My Team facilities' bonus not being properly thought out?Not my intention to drag on anyone here. We all want a better game. I've said this before, but for how good the handling is I still do not recommend my friends buying F1 23 unless it's on a deep sale – so there's no white knighting or corporate shill here. But it is quite silly to thing that Libery wants an ACC or AMS2 for F1 🤷

@DechriDisney only jumped in after all hell broke loose about loot boxes when governments started to take notice. If Disney was that concerned they would have never signed off on allowing use off aggressive monetisation added to the game. EA changed Battlefront due to pressure from various countries governments… UK, Belgium, Netherlands to name a few. Not DisneyTo paraphrase Axl Rose“Ripping off the kids, while they bang their hard earned money to play the characters they read about” 😆

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Dechri
3 years ago
@mariohomoh Again, you seem to be fighting against strawmans.

I never said pad should be like a wheel, that is just ridiculous. I said proper implementation for a good experience woth pad can be done for a sim game? Will it feel like driving a real car? No, your using a damn pad. But the game underneath can still be a sim. And sim =/= difficult. Sims can easily be accessible.

Also i understand that a driving game (with a bit of management stuff availble) and manager game (with no driving available) are quite drifferent things. You said Ross brawns sayings does not matter. I explained that things said in the interview Brawn talked about gaming has already come true.

If you don't listen to my words, but only elaborate on strawmans in a passive aggressive manner, while not even really participating on the topic of thos thread, continuing this conversation with you seems quite pointless.
FG44141
3 years ago
@mariohomoh wrote:
Liberty demanded that Codies eased off with the supercars shenanigans because having them in more game modes and features, especially races, would diminish the F1 brand value in their own official game. Unfortunately I don't see this as having anything to do with the quality of the F1 experience; just they being adamant that F1 should be on the forefront and core of the game as to not take the shine away from the brand.
Was there an official source for this statement about liberty?
mariohomoh
Hero (Retired)
3 years ago
@Dechri Let’s take a step back and sort it out?
You kicked off the thread mentioning the rumour that Kunos did not pursue a licensing deal with Liberty for their refusal to settle on an annual franchise. I called you out on that and explained why that would hardly be the case – the gist of it being that sim studios don’t look kindly to working on a F1 game from scratch due to the teams unwillingness to share performance data and parameters for a realistic sim.
You proceeded to say that it’s not really the driving experience that bothers you, but the stale state of the franchise. I agree with that and I'm positive the vast majority of us feels the same.
ut if the driving is ok already, what’s the point on spiraling out this “sims can be accessible too” tangent? If the simcade feeling of the current F1 franchise is good enough already, we can all scratch of the big sim studios out of this conversation, don’t you think? What’s the reason to discuss whether sims can be accessible for controller players?
On the same post you came up with the Disney “openly threatened to sue EA for poor handling of their trademark”. I called you out on that again, explaining why that’s factually wrong, and what went down with the Star Wars brand and license. The gist of it being that Disney did not revoke any copyright or anything, just let the exclusivity clause expire, and their discontentment stemmed from the missed potential of the IP on EA hands.
Thankfully that did not lead to anything.
Now to carry on, can you, first, link to any source for Ross Brawn expressing his wishes to see a F1 Manager style game in the future?
Passing that check, do you think we can reasonably establish a causal link or connection between him saying that, and Frontier securing the deal to develop F1 Manager 2022?
Passing that second check, can you find a source for Ross Brawn expressing his wishes on seeing a F1 sim released alongside the current EA's F1 franchise?
@FG44141 wrote:
@mariohomoh wrote:
Liberty demanded that Codies eased off with the supercars shenanigans because having them in more game modes and features, especially races, would diminish the F1 brand value in their own official game. Unfortunately I don't see this as having anything to do with the quality of the F1 experience; just they being adamant that F1 should be on the forefront and core of the game as to not take the shine away from the brand.
Was there an official source for this statement about liberty?
The very same scoop that brought the "supercars in F1" story. Tom Henderson. As in, FOM requesting the scaling-down of supercars in F1 22 – the reasons why being just speculation on part of the community.
kismet8051
3 years ago
I want CM to retain the licence. More times than not I’m happy with the game but I never preorder or buy on release and not every year either. I wonder how many of the people criticising the product, line up year after year to preorder or buy on release or soon after. What’ll it be next year fellas? Same again? Give them your money and spend the rest of your time in abject disappointment, moaning and whining about what a useless bunch CM and EA are? If you don’t like it, stop buying it. Send texts, emails, whatever, to Liberty informing them of your disappointment in the product that represents their sport. Again, STOP BUYING THE GAME IF YOU DISLIKE IT SO MUCH! It’s like poking yourself in the eye with a stick, over and over and over again.
Constructive criticism is great, but some of the nonsense I’ve witnessed in my many years on CM forums and now EA answers is just ridiculous, often the same people time and time again.

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