Guys, I am flipping done.I gave the game numerous chances over its lifetime, but the most recent bug that I discovered has completely killed my confidence in EA and the entire game.I wanted to play the Italian Grand Prix in my My Team Career, I put the Fault Types to Standard, and I actually got hit with an engine failure, even though this setting is supposed to prevent that from happening.Seriously, unless EA SPORTS hand ALL development work to Codemasters, I will NEVER purchase an F1 game ever again. The entire franchise is turning into one huge bug fest, and EA SPORTS are doing NOTHING, NOTHING AND NOTHING AGAIN to fix it, and this is what is absolutely peeving me.I'm not joking. You tell Codemasters to fix something, they do it, and release an update when they're done with it. You tell EA SPORTS to fix something, you gotta wait two eternities until they actually decide to work on it, and then it takes three eternities more until they release an update that fixes it. And by the time they fixed the one issue, 50 years have gone by.I'm sorry, but unless something happens that miraculously saves F1 23 and/or the F1 franchise as a whole, I will not touch this massive pile of garbage ever again.Farewell, and see you in F1 2030, should it ever come.Nico (aka the guy who loved F1 2020 with heart and is just looking for a viable successor to it)

@LuckyNico92They make changes to the game every year in a bid to keep it fresh. So codemasters make changes to the existing code. When I say as they have always done. As in as they have always developed the games. The base code for this game is years old now. It’s been chopped and changed so much it’s caused many many bugs. I believe they call is spaghetti code on the trade. Where it’s just a huge jumbled up mess.Where the original coders have long since left Codemasters and those who cone after struggle to understand and make sense off what the previous coder has implemented into the game.Also this is not the worst F1 game codemasters has put out not even the second worst.2020 is the GOAT and its hard to improve on that. Only way is down.

Codemasters keep on being the sole developers of this franchise. EA has nothing to do with it in any direct manner, acting as publishers and providing their in-house tools for QA and data analysis. Everything you do in this game, from the initial button press on the splash screen to missing the apex at Parabolica, are 100% coded by Codemasters.You've been told this countless times by countless members, both on this forum and the other.@ScarDuck14 has been veritably playing this franchise far longer than you.Setting Car Damage, Car Damage Rate, Fault Frequency and/or Fault Types to standard should not prevent engine failure. It's written in the tooltip on the right.Dom Quixote and his windmills. This is Codemasters' doing, and you're better off not revisiting the past with rose tinted glasses. Codemasters took the bend on to this road long before EA acquired them.You've been also told this countless times by countless members, both on this forum and the other.

@LuckyNico92 As we have told you many many times. EA is just the publisher and has nothing to do with the development of the game. The development is all down to codemasters

While I agree with the general state of affairs that Codemasters is the developer (i.e. the only people to touch the code) and EA is the publisher (i.e. marketing, sales, etc.), I also agree that since the tie-in with EA, the game's gone downhill, and it feels like it's the influence/direction that EA want which is steering Codemasters into making the game they've made. The total focus on F1 World now while the career modes feel like a forgotten corner of the game feels very much like an EA decision that Codemasters have had to follow. They're essentially handcuffed. They've sold out.But the main thing above all that has put me right off purchasing any future F1 games is the total lack of regard for bugfixing:People report bugsBugs claim to be fixed in patchnotesBugs turn out not to have been touched at allNext patch is released 2 to 4 weeks later.Bugs claim to be fixed in patchnotes againBugs still not touched.Ad infinitum.This has happened repeatedly, patch after patch, since the release of F1 22, co-incidentally the first game in the fully connected EA franchise. I don't know the structure of things but I'm guessing that EA have taken over Quality Assurance? Because this is a similar pattern I've seen people complain about with Battlefield 2142.There's no communication. No acknowledgments, no fixes for the things that really matter such as issues with red flags, this years big feature addition. It's almost as if the game's been abandoned already if it weren't for the patch fixing stuff with F1 World, a mode that more and more people seem to care less and less about. I hate it when I see people in comments say "dead game", but I feel like I'm experiencing one for the first time now. It feels like they've already given up.It's different at WRC, they have one thing that the F1 franchise has been missing since the old forums, and that's a community liason guy with a genuine passion for the sport. They've got PJ Tierney, we had Barry at the old forums but nobody has really taken his place. We've got the already-in-place EA community guys, but seemingly nobody who's hands-on with the game behind the scenes, someone who wants to play it as much as we do. So there's a missing link and instead we're left in the dark.

@LuckyNico92Every year they port over the previous years game and add and remove and make changes to it to update it for the current year release. As they do this year on year each year the game gets more and more conflicts in the code that cause more glitches and bugs. Until it gets to the point where we have a bug fest off a game. Each patch that tries to fix one issue and then has a knock on effect that creates more.I never said it was your fault. But you keep saying EA develop the game. They don’t. Codemasters does like it has always done.This year all of the development budget quite clearly went into F1 world. Then that was shoehorned into the game using the same code and mechanics that career modes use. But it’s also quite clear the differences they have coded into F1 world has caused many issues with career modes I doubt any bugs in career modes will be fixed this year as it will risk causing more issues in F1 world

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ScarDuck14
Legend
2 years ago
Also yes I’ve been playing Codies F1 games since 2010. But been playing codemasters games since TOCA which came out in 1997 I think.
and to this day I maintain the best F1 game. Was pre codemasters and that was F1 championship edition which was released in 2006/7
s00zster
Rising Ace
2 years ago
While I agree with the general state of affairs that Codemasters is the developer (i.e. the only people to touch the code) and EA is the publisher (i.e. marketing, sales, etc.), I also agree that since the tie-in with EA, the game's gone downhill, and it feels like it's the influence/direction that EA want which is steering Codemasters into making the game they've made. The total focus on F1 World now while the career modes feel like a forgotten corner of the game feels very much like an EA decision that Codemasters have had to follow. They're essentially handcuffed. They've sold out.
But the main thing above all that has put me right off purchasing any future F1 games is the total lack of regard for bugfixing:
People report bugs
Bugs claim to be fixed in patchnotes
Bugs turn out not to have been touched at all
Next patch is released 2 to 4 weeks later.
Bugs claim to be fixed in patchnotes again
Bugs still not touched.
Ad infinitum.
This has happened repeatedly, patch after patch, since the release of F1 22, co-incidentally the first game in the fully connected EA franchise. I don't know the structure of things but I'm guessing that EA have taken over Quality Assurance? Because this is a similar pattern I've seen people complain about with Battlefield 2142.
There's no communication. No acknowledgments, no fixes for the things that really matter such as issues with red flags, this years big feature addition. It's almost as if the game's been abandoned already if it weren't for the patch fixing stuff with F1 World, a mode that more and more people seem to care less and less about. I hate it when I see people in comments say "dead game", but I feel like I'm experiencing one for the first time now. It feels like they've already given up.
It's different at WRC, they have one thing that the F1 franchise has been missing since the old forums, and that's a community liason guy with a genuine passion for the sport. They've got PJ Tierney, we had Barry at the old forums but nobody has really taken his place. We've got the already-in-place EA community guys, but seemingly nobody who's hands-on with the game behind the scenes, someone who wants to play it as much as we do. So there's a missing link and instead we're left in the dark.
TotosHeadphones
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@ScarDuck14 Nuh uh, F1 97.
LuckyNico92
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@ScarDuck14 Now that you think about it, my overall third favorite F1 game is actually pre Codemasters as well, which is F1 05, made by Studio Liverpool, who later became the developers of WipEout on PS3, and the game feels just like it. Super fast, almost no time to react, and very arcadic. I honestly wish that game gets a full-fledged remaster, because 2005 was one of my favorite years in F1, as it was the final year of V10s. And just imagine how fast today's F1 cars are if they had these powerful V10s in there. Plus the extra horsepower from the battery, those cars could go like what, 390 km/h?
ScarDuck14
Legend
2 years ago
@LuckyNico92 That’s the same F1 game as posted. Maybe it was named differently in different regions but Studio Liverpool only developed one F1 game as far as I know
Meza994
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@LuckyNico92I think im gonna spoil the fun of other more educated people in physics here but thats not how it would work with V10s.. the 2005 V10s - by far the best they ever been - were putting out around 950 bhp depending on manufacturer while V6s are supposed to produce 1050 bhp.. Soo the overall gain would be 60 bhp which wouldnt make them gain anywhere near 40kph especially as the V10s lose more power in high altitude vs. the V6s but thats a whole different story..
dwin20
Rising Hotshot
2 years ago
@s00zster PJ Tierney did a series of very good videos on F1 2021 and F1 2020 ranging from track guides to driving and setup tips. These were very helpful. I wish he had continued with videos in 2022 and 2023, because as you said, he was genuinely interested in the playing the game and helping others get better at it.
Here is a link to his YouTube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/@PJTierney/playlists
dwin20
Rising Hotshot
2 years ago
@s00zster ...and agree with you about Barry

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