Shouldn't assists be slower?
Assists are there to help newer players, but they should have a lower ceiling. Why is it that with ABS on you are faster? I enjoy driving without assists and having the real feel of total control ...
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@TigerAlen410 ABS is better than no ABS in real cars. That’s why all modern cars have it. In game ABS is better in some instances but also worse in others.
Then ABS is also essential for majority of player’s who use a pad. Even with adaptive triggers. Feedback is lacking for most people who don’t have the time to put hours in Gitting Gud. So ABS helps those players locking up and wiping out other players into every braking zone.
Wait but real F1 doesn’t have ABS. I promise you. Their braking systems being state off the art May as well be. Not to mention if teams were given the chance to develop and add a state off the art ABS system. Every team will have it on their car ASAP
Lastly a good sim racer is faster on this game is faster than any not as good with ABS.
ABS Is an assist to help players better enjoy the game. Not have such features will result in less people playing the game. Which means less sales and less development budgets leading to the game not being financially viable.
F1 GAMES are not sims. They are games, Games for everyone willing to buy the game to enjoy and not just the elitist few that get upset their expensive high end rig couldn’t help them beat average joe on a pad and ABS. Assist or no assists. Top end rigs or pads. Doesn’t take into account a player’s ability. Be from hours off gitting Gud sweat or those who are naturals.
I watch all the best E-Sports racers and content creators. It’s easy to see why they are real elite. Because you never hear them complain about assists being overpowered.
Marcel was doing the comparison video for the benefit of his followers. To help them decide whether to use ABS or not, He never once mentioned it’s a issue
Then ABS is also essential for majority of player’s who use a pad. Even with adaptive triggers. Feedback is lacking for most people who don’t have the time to put hours in Gitting Gud. So ABS helps those players locking up and wiping out other players into every braking zone.
Wait but real F1 doesn’t have ABS. I promise you. Their braking systems being state off the art May as well be. Not to mention if teams were given the chance to develop and add a state off the art ABS system. Every team will have it on their car ASAP
Lastly a good sim racer is faster on this game is faster than any not as good with ABS.
ABS Is an assist to help players better enjoy the game. Not have such features will result in less people playing the game. Which means less sales and less development budgets leading to the game not being financially viable.
F1 GAMES are not sims. They are games, Games for everyone willing to buy the game to enjoy and not just the elitist few that get upset their expensive high end rig couldn’t help them beat average joe on a pad and ABS. Assist or no assists. Top end rigs or pads. Doesn’t take into account a player’s ability. Be from hours off gitting Gud sweat or those who are naturals.
I watch all the best E-Sports racers and content creators. It’s easy to see why they are real elite. Because you never hear them complain about assists being overpowered.
Marcel was doing the comparison video for the benefit of his followers. To help them decide whether to use ABS or not, He never once mentioned it’s a issue
@ScarDuck14 Valid points.
But is it like this in other games/genres too? With E-sports level players being able to perform better or would gain an advantage at top level, if they were using any in-game aid or assist? Ex. CoD, Fifa or… any game really.
(Honest question. I only play racing games nowadays, so I don’t have a clue what goes on in other game/E-sport genres anymore)
It isn’t a big issue for the E-sport drivers because the official series and the top tiers of the biggest leagues DON’T ALLOW any assits.
But it’s imo kinda sad that smaller (normal) leagues have such diffculty filling up or don’t even bother trying to run a ’no assist tier’ anymore. Because the Racing Line and especially ABS is incredibly helpful in this game.
It’s a good thing they exist, but it doesn’t make sense to me why they need to THIS powerful?
And I believe the f1 online/competitive community suffers quite alot as a consequence. (There are a million of other reasons it suffers also).
I have a love/hate relationship with f1 league racing. I don’t mind racing and competing against drivers who use assists. But the fact that I know many racers with insane talent and pace (far better than me), who I’ve raced with/against since 2019, and they still use ABS and Racing Line assist, even though they could easily keep their pace without them. Their reasoning: ”Why risk it?”
And that kinda makes me think the game could benefit from a tiny tiny (just a little) ABS nerf.
I do agree that the game should remain fun, engaging and accessible for every and all level of players.
And I don’t believe a slightly less op abs would get in the way of that.
But is it like this in other games/genres too? With E-sports level players being able to perform better or would gain an advantage at top level, if they were using any in-game aid or assist? Ex. CoD, Fifa or… any game really.
(Honest question. I only play racing games nowadays, so I don’t have a clue what goes on in other game/E-sport genres anymore)
It isn’t a big issue for the E-sport drivers because the official series and the top tiers of the biggest leagues DON’T ALLOW any assits.
But it’s imo kinda sad that smaller (normal) leagues have such diffculty filling up or don’t even bother trying to run a ’no assist tier’ anymore. Because the Racing Line and especially ABS is incredibly helpful in this game.
It’s a good thing they exist, but it doesn’t make sense to me why they need to THIS powerful?
And I believe the f1 online/competitive community suffers quite alot as a consequence. (There are a million of other reasons it suffers also).
I have a love/hate relationship with f1 league racing. I don’t mind racing and competing against drivers who use assists. But the fact that I know many racers with insane talent and pace (far better than me), who I’ve raced with/against since 2019, and they still use ABS and Racing Line assist, even though they could easily keep their pace without them. Their reasoning: ”Why risk it?”
And that kinda makes me think the game could benefit from a tiny tiny (just a little) ABS nerf.
I do agree that the game should remain fun, engaging and accessible for every and all level of players.
And I don’t believe a slightly less op abs would get in the way of that.
- @WigglyStyle I guess from my experience. On fast straights with heavy braking zones. You have to be on the brakes sooner compared to without. Initial Advantage not using ABS. If you’re not using ABS you’re comfortable braking into tight corners so more often than not don’t lock up. The advantage for ABS is provided you’ve not drastically missed your braking point you don’t have to worry about miss the corner entirely.
Braking into medium corners or a quick dab in twisty sections will have the same result for Abs or not
So if you don’t use ABS and you can avoid locking up you should always have a slight edge. But the risks are obviously greater. Majority of people who use ABS use it cause they genuinely need it. If that’s the case they will be slower but also safer for you when you attacking them into tight corners. As they would defend the inside: you will outbrake them in the outside and turn in If average racer don’t have ABS. You know he’s locking up and going to slide straight into you. Least with ABS they have a much higher chance of taking avoiding action. Just as you do irl.
Kind of same with racing line. Most using it cause they need it. I doubt it because they don’t know the racing line. I’d imagine as it’s the easiest way to know where to brake. Which benefits everyone in race as it cuts down on having average joe braking where you least expect them to or wandering off line. They willl and do their best to follow the line. Besides most tracks the racing line and braking indicator isn’t fastest way round track…. But will say that’s marble dependent as they seem to be added everywhere the racing line isn’t.
If insanely good drivers use assists cause they can exploit a few extra tenths of a lap time. Understand people do these things. They may beat you in the race. Don’t let it bother you. If they beat you with assists on when they would have beaten you regardless. Cups half full. In my mind I’d be yeah they only won cause they used a exploit:@ScarDuck14I don't know what your talking about but 99% of players are significantly faster with ABS turned on, pretty much everyone I know is faster with ABS on, maybe some have a slight tiny bit of an advantage with it being off,but those are esports drivers probably.
- @TigerAlen410 So I’m assuming majority of the time they are using ABS. Braking using ABS only requires knowing and consistently hitting your braking points. Braking without ABS does require learning different braking techniques and requires practicing to build up muscle memory. But once you have. No ABS is much quicker.
Now IRL my occupation for over 20 years I drove high powered cars at high speeds on UK roads. Most of those years all the cars I drove had ABS. Thousands upon thousands of times I hadt to stand on the brake pedal. Out off all those times ABS activated just a handful of times. It doesn’t activate every time you use the brakes. It will only becomes active at the point your wheels lock up. Then if you are still pressing down the the brake pedal ABS quickly applies the brakes on and off until you’re no longer going to lock up or you’ve taken foot off pedal. So as ABS works the same in game as it would In real life. ABS applying brake pressure on and off. Stops you from locking up so gives you some control when steering. But it increases the time and distance when braking. To be sure ABS stops you from locking up when you’re hard on the brakes It will start working well before it needs to. Whereas without ABS you are always in control of the brakes. Once you know what technique to use and how to apply it. You can brake harder and later into a corner than anyone who’s foot/finger is applying max pressure just relying on ABS.
Sorry if you know all this already but surprisingly most don’t. And FYI I use ABS in game just incase.,but maybe once or twice a race i over do it and where ABS helps me avoid the car infront who’s super early on brakes. My general technique that I’ve always used both in racing games and IRL is pulse braking. Which is basically manual ABS. But better as rather than brakes rapidly being on off. I can hard brake lift then add smaller amounts of pressure which keeps the car nicely settled just as I trail brake (Although using a pad trigger to accurately reduce brake pressure is an issue for my old stiff fingers at times)into corner.
