Shouldn't assists be slower?
Assists are there to help newer players, but they should have a lower ceiling. Why is it that with ABS on you are faster? I enjoy driving without assists and having the real feel of total control ...
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@TigerAlen410 So I’m assuming majority of the time they are using ABS. Braking using ABS only requires knowing and consistently hitting your braking points. Braking without ABS does require learning different braking techniques and requires practicing to build up muscle memory. But once you have. No ABS is much quicker.
Now IRL my occupation for over 20 years I drove high powered cars at high speeds on UK roads. Most of those years all the cars I drove had ABS. Thousands upon thousands of times I hadt to stand on the brake pedal. Out off all those times ABS activated just a handful of times. It doesn’t activate every time you use the brakes. It will only becomes active at the point your wheels lock up. Then if you are still pressing down the the brake pedal ABS quickly applies the brakes on and off until you’re no longer going to lock up or you’ve taken foot off pedal. So as ABS works the same in game as it would In real life. ABS applying brake pressure on and off. Stops you from locking up so gives you some control when steering. But it increases the time and distance when braking. To be sure ABS stops you from locking up when you’re hard on the brakes It will start working well before it needs to. Whereas without ABS you are always in control of the brakes. Once you know what technique to use and how to apply it. You can brake harder and later into a corner than anyone who’s foot/finger is applying max pressure just relying on ABS.
Sorry if you know all this already but surprisingly most don’t. And FYI I use ABS in game just incase.,but maybe once or twice a race i over do it and where ABS helps me avoid the car infront who’s super early on brakes. My general technique that I’ve always used both in racing games and IRL is pulse braking. Which is basically manual ABS. But better as rather than brakes rapidly being on off. I can hard brake lift then add smaller amounts of pressure which keeps the car nicely settled just as I trail brake (Although using a pad trigger to accurately reduce brake pressure is an issue for my old stiff fingers at times)into corner.
Now IRL my occupation for over 20 years I drove high powered cars at high speeds on UK roads. Most of those years all the cars I drove had ABS. Thousands upon thousands of times I hadt to stand on the brake pedal. Out off all those times ABS activated just a handful of times. It doesn’t activate every time you use the brakes. It will only becomes active at the point your wheels lock up. Then if you are still pressing down the the brake pedal ABS quickly applies the brakes on and off until you’re no longer going to lock up or you’ve taken foot off pedal. So as ABS works the same in game as it would In real life. ABS applying brake pressure on and off. Stops you from locking up so gives you some control when steering. But it increases the time and distance when braking. To be sure ABS stops you from locking up when you’re hard on the brakes It will start working well before it needs to. Whereas without ABS you are always in control of the brakes. Once you know what technique to use and how to apply it. You can brake harder and later into a corner than anyone who’s foot/finger is applying max pressure just relying on ABS.
Sorry if you know all this already but surprisingly most don’t. And FYI I use ABS in game just incase.,but maybe once or twice a race i over do it and where ABS helps me avoid the car infront who’s super early on brakes. My general technique that I’ve always used both in racing games and IRL is pulse braking. Which is basically manual ABS. But better as rather than brakes rapidly being on off. I can hard brake lift then add smaller amounts of pressure which keeps the car nicely settled just as I trail brake (Although using a pad trigger to accurately reduce brake pressure is an issue for my old stiff fingers at times)into corner.
Also it doesn’t matter who’s using what assists and whether they are OP or not. It’s just a game that we play. If using max assists made me faster and the game more enjoyable to me. Then id use them and wouldn’t care about what assists others I was racing against were using or not using, All you have control over that’s important is what you do in the game and what you get out off it: Getting frustrated about how others play the game is a pointless. Cause like me they won’t care if using assists is the reason they beat you. They wouldn’t even have noticed who they were racing. It’s not a sim it’s played by people from kids to old men like me who are sitting on a couch pad in hand having fun playing a game pretending to be an awesome F1 driver.
Assists are there to help people better enjoy playtime. Even on a pad I’m massively faster without assists: Maybe alittle less consistent lap after lap: depending on track and weather I’ll use any or all assists when doing a 50% plus distance race: Depends on what I want,
I do understand you want to race against likeminded folk who don’t use assists. But dont expect to find them racing against random people in races or leagues that allow them. Just because you maybe able to drive without them it’s unreasonable and unfair to expect assists to be nerfed. As it wil just make average Joe even slower. Where he never stands a chance and gets easily beaten race after race: Before long average Joe along with all the other Joes gives up and goes play another game instead. EA don’t mean about. They have cancelled near complete games in the past when they think a game isn’t expected to make its Margin, Other AAA studios won’t risk paying for the F1 license and development budget needed to make a good F1 game.
So if we want to continue to play a F1 game we need every average Joe to want to buy and play the game. Best way is letting him use assists that give him hope he can do well
my Best suggestion is join a league that doesn’t allow assists.
@ScarDuck14 May I ask around what top nr % are your average time trial times on the leaderboard?
- @TigerAlen410 I don’t know. Time Trial isn’t my thing. As it’s only about putting one good lap together. Do enough TT laps and theirs every chance average Joe could nail a lap and put him up in the top %.
Racing is about consistency. Lap after lap doing fast laps being within 3 tenths of eachother. Only thing I look at is race director post lap to check that I’ve accomplished that along with a decent finish. More often than not when tyres have optimal grip my lap times on majority off tracks will be within 3 tenths, The ultimate goal would be with a tenth, most I’ve managed is 6 consecutive laps. But as it was also a Spa which is a long lap. I was very pleased. @TigerAlen410 in the meantime you can share a clip of your driving with the HUD on, showing your inputs. Having a second pair of eyes going over your lap is always helpful, and perhaps someone can contribute with the constructive criticism necessary to allow you to leave poor drivers with assists back in the dust?
Or if you're performance oriented and know your way around telemetry, like many of the top simracers (iRacing, ACC) and even players (F1) do, I'm sure some of the more experienced among us would love to sit down and help you go over your inputs to shave a few tenths here and there.
Telemetry is even more useful as it makes it easier to share a whole stint - and as it's been discussed many times before, being able to be consistent and deliver lap times on the same ballpark is one of the hallmarks of a above average player.
This is all about being a helpful community and elevating each other, isn't it?
I don't see how knowing this or that guy personal best time could be of any use. Reasoning being twofold:
- Lap times, in the nude, are a poor parameter for one's knowledge. If you catch someone giving wrong advice, you should be able to point out where and why they're wrong regardless of how "fast" they are.
- Many of the top billed coaches in the simracing community have been champions themselves, indeed. Many have not ever won anything worth writing home about, though.
My question about his time trial was not to say oh you are not that extremely fast so your advice is invalid, you got it wrong.
I'm well aware that you don't have to be very fast but can still have lots of experience and knowledge.
It was more because I assume he must be amongst the fastest drivers and most experienced so probably abs off is not really slowing him down, but for most of us average Joe's it's hard.
I've only started playing f1 22, and started with assists, with f1 23 I transitioned to no assists so I'm well aware that my skill level is probably low, I just don't know what I'm doing wrong, I did use telemetry to try to compare to the best drivers but I try to do something more similar to them and I'm even slower.
I flashback a single corner and try to go through it like hundred of times no joke, trying different things with braking with acceleration with braking points and I can't drive through it better or maybe a couple of hundreds sometimes, and yet I lose like 3 or 4 tenths against the top players in that very corner...so I am clueless what I do wrong and this is with ABS btw, when I turn it off like I said I'm much slower even.
Yeah I can post a lap for you guys if you want if you might be able to help me I didn't know thats allowed here.
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