Tracks with bad grip
Yesterday I raced in Baku (coop season with Ferrari) and noticed that Baku was really horrible to drive in F1 23. I was really shocked how bad the grip was. Before I bought F1 23 we played F1 21 ...
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It’s not about how decently someone can play with a pad. You’re missing the whole point. We don’t care how good or bad someone is as longs as they get the enjoyment out of the game they paid good money for.
This game is not just for those who think they are Elite it’s for everyone regardless of their control input. As is your game (your words not mine)
Maybe I should make something clear.
I am the original poster and I asked for expierences from other players for the issue I descriped.
The issue is that Baku has bad grip from the track combined with an unbalanced high AI Speed/Grip. Yes it is realistic that street surface has worse grip conditions, here I agree!
But I feel it is a bit too hard in this game. And I think that the AI is overpowered because we as a player cannot drive as a same level as the AI does with its grip.That are my expierences. So what are yours? It seems the most have the same expierences, no matter of wheel or pad.
And I asked if there are other tracks where you as a gamer expierenced this issue.
Maybe I should tell you, that I am a fanatec wheel user since years and I have felt this bad grip conditions too. Yes, I managed the race a lot better then my friend with his pad, but my Pace was in the back of the midfield in this race, while I was able to compete on the Top 5 for the first 3 Races. on 96 Ai Level. So Baku was a very bad surprise.
I didn't asked for discussion which other game I could play nor who is the better driver, pad user or wheel. I just want to talk about the grip conditions combined with AI driving level and if you have made same expierences (on other tracks) and maybe how you solved this problem. I don't really like to adjust the AI level. My aim is to keep the level for one season. Because of the development bug I reduce the level after the season.
- @DonBlanko Sorry fella Elitists tend to trigger me 😔
- @DonBlanko As someone who races on both wheel and pad, I also have experienced poor grip at Baku with both types (I've posted about this very thing in the past week).
You're absolutely correct about the AI (was going to make a reply about this yesterday) in that it's too high by about 1.5 seconds for the difficulty compared to other circuits, and that in turn has a knock-on effect of A. the AI disappearing out of sight after several laps, when on other circuits you'd be comfortably in among the pack, and B. causes you to try too hard and spin out on what is already a difficult track due to the surface type.
Worse still, the AI doesn't suffer from the same issues and obstacles as the player does. It's essentially on pre-programmed rails, each difficulty giving a target time, and any spins you witness are "canned events" (that actual phrase is used in the XML code), where it will just randomly cause a car to spin at several pre-determined points on the circuit. It's a horribly false and scripted way of trying to portray Artificial Intelligence when there's no real intelligence to begin with. It doesn't think or behave for itself. It can't even move out of the way of a car stuck on the track, it'll just sit there, causing all the other cars to sit behind that in one big numb-brained queue...
The only way to solve the problem of the AI being too quick is to drop your difficulty level by 15 (this is what I've found anyway). No shame in it, especially when the game is so inconsistent. An added factor of dropping the difficulty is that by every 10% (so levels 100, 90, 80, 70 and so on on) you gain a tiny percentage of grip. This was a thing I found in the difficulty files of the 2012 era games and I believe it's still present today, judging by the feel of the car on pad anyway.
But it would be ideally wonderful to get a new AI model which struggles with grip, tyre wear, tyre temps, dry and wet lines in real time, as opposed to the fakery we have right now. But I've been crying out for that for 7 years now, so I wouldn't hold my breath... - @ScarDuck14 Nah, you're right. I can't stand gatekeeping, especially when it's over a game that thinks its audience wants breakdancing podium celebrations over improved career modes. 😁
- @DonBlanko Since your on a pad I want to ask a question......in F1 22 did you notice the delay some people said was going on when you change directions?
I'm thinking probably your answer is going to be no.
During the Beta 2 things stood out.
1...2 handling models My team/Career and another for GP mode.
2...The My team/Career mode steering was twitchy.
I'm one of the players who DIDN'T notice the delay in F1 22,21 and 20.
I think it's causing issues and I wish we had the option to go back to the original steering we had before.
