you can't treat us like idiots by saying that you modify the physics etc. with a game that must also run on old consoles there's no way we're not stupid at least you didn't invent the double version which is unlikely... you can't expect us to spend 80eurp for an f1 23 with updated liveries...we are passionate but not stupid the community must react by not buying the game stop

@Nellix82 Relax.Yes Is possible to do it, if they have the tech. Believe me they do have tech. I know the talent in that team, and they could have very well done it.I know nothing (believe me this makes me go crazy 🤣) but the know how that they have which started with F1 23 is huge, so I have high hopes, and genuinely can't wait to try it!

@Nellix82 I said it was complex, not impossible. Also, dynamic weather system and rubberised track is technically not handling. I see no hint in their release video about all that, nor I see it in their steam page. They explicitly talk about handling.There are/were many things to improve in the handling before even starting thinking about weather system or anything that contours the handling.They could have done it already, but I have no idea.Also, having been in that team for 9 years, no I don't think anyone can be rightfully fed up. I've seen yes bad decision at times, but I have also seen a continuous improvement on many things. People don't know how hard it is to make yearly release game and on top of that, a sports one.

@Nellix82Relax.We have been given a teaser trailer, nothing that gives clear details. That's quite a heavy reaction to virtually nothing; allow the details to come out, allow news to trickle down, allow the beta to come out to guage the gameplay.It's admirable being passionate but try to keep a level head especially when all we have is a short teaser

@mariohomoh Sorry, like I said, long week, little scatterbrained, let me elaborate.2k is probably the only company that could take a realistic run at the license. Couple problems though, they're undoubtedly pouring significant resources into GTA VI so taking on a new big-name IP and building in from the ground up probably not high up on the list of priorities. Secondly, for every microtransaction in F1 right now there's at least 10 in NBA 2K## so they're hardly a savior, which I guess leads to the larger point I was trying to make.I've noticed for several year now, even back when I was just a lurker on the old CM boards that people like to say things like "If only so-and-so had the F1 license this game would be so much better". Problem is small studios don't have the money for the license, big studios need to sell stuff quickly to satisfy shareholders.Then there's problems on the consumer side to. Casual players want a more arcade experience because they just want to out there and race with Verstappen, Hamilton and the gang while hardcore players want a sim experience that puts their abilities to the test. Satisfying everyone is never an option. Even in F1 24 had been next gen only and built from the ground up using UE5 I'm sure people would have found plenty of things to complain about.Anyway, maybe it's just the topic of the thread title, but I guess I just feel like people are getting way way way too worked up about this.Sorry for the rants...End Rant.

@Nellix82 @If the game isn’t up to your standards then don’t buy it. No one is forcing you to buy it year after year.This franchise may not be for you. I know you want it to be a full sim but that’s not what they’re aiming for. they want it to be accessible to as many people as possible. 90%+ of the people who buy this game don’t want to spend hours tweaking their car setup just to get through the first two turns because the physics engine is so complicated and convoluted.i say this half jokingly, but honestly we’re lucky they haven't implemented banana peels, turtle shells, or invincibility stars yet because for the record Mario kart sold 8 million copies in 2023 alone. Couldn’t find totals for f1 23, But I think MK8 wins.TLDR approachable games sell well and make a lot of money

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mariohomoh
Hero (Retired)
2 years ago
@Nellix82 wrote:
@TotosHeadphonesthe problem is not mine as already said I don't think I'm stupid.....never talked about the game engine. maybe you don't read well.....and it's certainly not you who decides what to say or make me do...
Hey, Nellix
43 posts in this thread. Can you point to a single comment, a single user who said they were OKAY with the state of this game?
No one is. We all agree with you on a fundamental level.
Now there's been plenty of tangents here, ranging from how people have the wrong idea on how a game engine functions to business models in the videogame industry. But not a single soul is happy with the game.
At the core of it all, what's been repeated time and time again in this thread:
It's an announcement trailer
It's unreasonable to make any sort of verdict until the actual reveal in April
Keep it civil, mate. If it were some out of touch fanboy telling you you're off keeled for complaining, ok. But you're verging on being uncivil with people that on a fundamental level all agree with you on how unsatisfactory this franchise is right now - to say the least.
Nellix82
Rising Ace
2 years ago
@TotosHeadphones in fact I have always said that I will evaluate before buying it.....the concept is not from the video but to propose your game on oldgen there are things that you cannot do compared to a nextgen at least not from 2 versions.....the the rest are criticisms and hypotheses that are all in my opinion.....then if you stay with the previous game and therefore have never fixed the millebugs it's more like you can do it in a year when you have to redesign the cars you should review the tracklimits which are still those of the 21st and so much more stuff how can you? if you know I'm glad I don't know
TheRagebeard
Hero+
2 years ago
See here's the real secret to life. Instead of letting my life revolve around the success or failure of 1 game. I diversify and take an interest in many things. In this case I think I'm going to go scratch the RPG itch and play some FF7 Rebirth and let you all handle the rest of this conversation to nowhere. I'll see yall in like a week... assuming the board hasn't been burnt to the ground before then.
P.S. Without realizing it I included a second secret to life, knowing when to let go. The odds of anything constructive coming out of this thread are pretty nil at this point so I would encourage everyone to resist the urge to respond further and just let the fire die out.
Love,
TheBeard
Ultrasonic_77
Hero
2 years ago
@Nellix82 wrote:
@TheRagebeardI'll answer you in a very simple way....what's new about this game since you don't change the game engine and therefore the graphics? Nothing, why pay 90 euros for it? For new lives and the tweaks to the physics? There's nothing more about the sim now and all a preset therefore all an arcade let's remove the sim......the video shown doesn't say anything true but it says that to run on oldgen you can't use a more powerful engine and with it you bring a thousand bugs and more that's all.. .
I really don't understand why you are repeatedly saying things like this when right now we all know basically nothing about the new game. Let's see what actually gets announced, and ultimately gets released.
Nellix82
Rising Ace
2 years ago
@mariohomoh I'm very calm and comfortable waiting for April. There have been arguments and arguments with those who don't agree with my initial thoughts....it was enough to say things like we'll see things like this, no, don't buy the.game.or similar answers... .peace with everyone
Nellix82
Rising Ace
2 years ago
@Ultrasonic_77 simply my thought, my hypothesis....that's all I said although I will be happy to be proven wrong if it happens
mikyesposto1
New Hotshot
2 years ago
@Nellix82 dear friend, relax a bit and try to think straight. I agree with you, I understand the anger and frustration in seeing the graphics engine that has now had its day, continue to move forward. I want to make you reflect on a very simple thing: switching to a new graphics engine does not automatically mean a huge improvement. Just look at how many problems WRC is having with Unreal engine and I want to reiterate that it is a game only for the new consoles. New consoles that are clearly better than the old ones but that struggle to cope with particular graphics engines, difficult to use and fine-tune and very poorly optimized. In addition to this, it doesn't seem like a much more graphically beautiful game to me than the f1 games, despite the old consoles having been eliminated and it running on unreal engine. This shows that old consoles don't limit anything, it always depends on the developer what he intends to do, you can go even further and there are many obvious examples. Red dead redemption 2 runs on ps4 and xbox one, but after 6 years I have not yet seen games with similar quality, despite the fact that we have made great progress with the hardware, especially on the GPU side. Object physics never seen in any other title, we can say the same about the last of us part 2. The message I want to get across is that old consoles are not the cause of problems or lack of innovation, because it is precisely the whole video game sector not to propose innovations. And trust me when I say that f1 24 can really improve a lot even with the old consoles, when it comes to physics and much more. The ego engine is a well-proven, lightweight and easy to use engine. Throwing ourselves into another engine would double the bugs that already exist, further worsening the situation. My advice is to wait for some more information and see some gameplay to draw conclusions and judge Codemasters|Ea's work. Take care friend!
Nellix82
Rising Ace
2 years ago
@mikyesposto1 I'm also very curious, not because of the engine problem but to understand if you offer me the same game with the slight modification of the physics as they have been doing for years or if they surprise me, April is almost here
TheRagebeard
Hero+
2 years ago
@Nellix82 that’s odd I could have sworn today was March 1st, April doesn’t seem that close imo.
Also your imposing your own personal expectations onto codemasters as they never said there would be an info drop/ reveal on April 1st, they just said stay tuned for more info in April. That could mean April 30th, which is basically 1/6th of a year from now.
given that the infographic encouraging people to preorder the game says to preorder the game by April 24th my guess would be the info drop happens on the 25th cause they want to get peoples preorder locked in before they can be disappointed by the reveal on the 25th lol.
Nellix82
Rising Ace
2 years ago
@TheRagebeard given the lack of trust even in most of the videos I've seen, if I were them I would release some information much sooner then if they have had a positive response in the pre-sales then we will wait....

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