what is going on with this game?
it seems like every single player mode seems to have a big bug involved in them besides gp mode and im just getting more and more annoyed by it. it has come to a point where pretty much every time i ...
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there is absolutely no reason to be this negative about the entire company. most (if not al) employees are working their * off to make us as good of a game as posible and then there are people like you that blame them of doing nothing which really dissapoints me. thats not to mention that is part of the forum is about the f1 game, not the company so please if you want to complain about the company feel free to but take it somewhere where it's supposed to be.
I don't think an annual release is good for games (obviously, it is good for profit), but we would have a better game if they would re-make the core every 3/4 years with a light update each year for car performance and a few things! People still play F121 or F120. They could have improved over that base each year instead of coming up with a new game every year. (The graphic kind of reaches a level that won't improve tooooo much anyway, not like it was 2014 or 2016)
As you said, it's a lot of work to deal with yearly releases; the problem is that if you see the profit.
- F1 2020 revenue 36.4M
- F1 2021 revenue 41.8M
- F1 2022 revenue 28.8M
How can you justify skipping one year of revenue just to make a better game? If all you need to do is copy 70% of the previous version and work on the remaining 30% and get that much money, obviously, the result tends to be more and more buggy because we all know how hard it is to re-use code without messing up something here and there.
My only advice (but it won't work, obviously) is to make a subscription game yearly @50/60 without the rush to publish a new game every year but planning a progressive update. Obviously, there is the risk of devs sitting on it and doing very little, but I personally tend to buy it every year, and if it was a subscription, I think they could plan the future progression of the game much better if they really love F1gp.
And they should have a department of the devs just to study what can be sold as fluff in the shop as it is now, which is awful, but it doesn't have to be so bad (if the game stays the same for a long period of time!). Honestly, this game deserves a more interesting shop, better livery, better advertisement, and maybe better design of car parts (that doesn't influence performance, just graphics). I think they should rethink the business around the F1gp series, and maybe they will with the new engine and stuff coming out in the next couple of years now that they somehow have a decent handling system.
I would personally like all annual sports games to be in 2 year cycles with the off year where they just update rosters etc as dlc for a price of course. It’s not going to happen but it’s part of the reason sports games in general don’t advance that much and are more or less a copy and paste with some minor bells and whistles that are sold as exciting new features.
For this game, I do love the handling and I have been lucky that I haven’t experienced any game breaking bugs yet (knock on wood). I only play single player and offline. I have only had the issue of a safety immediately being deployed after a red flag restart and minor audio problems like the wrong name of driver of the day. Hopefully they fix the game breaking bugs but with lots of them being the same as in 21 and 22, I don’t know if that will happen until they go to next gen only with a new engine.
EA has been evolving a general framework model to hang their sports titles on. I’ve been recently been playing PGA tour along with F1 23. This year’s big addition, in line with their model, was the F1 world set of features and its structured very similar to PGA tour’s modes. These “worlds” are there to generate continuing gameplay, which generate user data and purchases, and heavily depend on backend infrastructure and connectivity.
The goal they seem to have is to offer a range of experiences and entertainments, from quick “snacks” to full up “meals” so a wide range of gamers can play. They favor a grind model to acquire “skills” so players can feel they are progressing and competing by earning enhancements for the avatar or car or whatever. But they do not do as well at rewarding real skill development versus acquired enhancements so the goals are skewed towards winning to obtain upgrades, not just for better competition. I’d like to see rewards/progress tuned more to recognizing improving at higher difficulties/fewer aids vs just winning on easier settings.
This framework is complex and soaks up a lot of dev resources, in competiton for resources for the core gameplay. This is very evident in the F1 23, where all the new stuff is in F1 World, and the core gameplay/simulation has been mostly unchanged for a number of years, and just carried over along with bugs that have persisted despite user identification. I’m guessing F1 World was at least 50% or more of the dev budget. So now lots of new bugs along with the old ones.
I play these to get some taste of the real world experience from both these sports. I appreciate the effort put into the handling and new tracks, and have found some of the F1 world stuff fun (and tedious as well) but QA continues to be lacking - the list of major fails like wheel support - ouch. Clearly EA has been overly ambitious with both features and schedules and have only applied limited resources. Reputation and sales have suffered. A better code & QA management system is needed to track and fix all these bugs - its the same story in PGA tour.
Unfortunately not as much of what we want will be likely be fixed for F1 23 soon if at all. And by the time they get some of it prioritized and done, peak sales have passed and the negatives get hyped. EA needs to do a lot more with their overall dev strategies to get passionate fans back on side for all their titles, not just rely on gamefication alone to gen sales. I hope they can get the F1 series back on track but there’s a lot to do for a seasonal title and they need to get better processes in place asap.
@Neil_RS60 that's a solid write up.
I'm curious as to what @Ultrasonic_77 have to say on that PGA parallel. It's been a while since I extricated myself from yearly franchises and I have never been one for MTX, so my eye has usually does a good job of glossing over all the engagement generating loops and designs.
Codemasters seemed to be heading down this direction even before news of the EA acquisition - and TakeTwo's bid prior to that. I'm not confident a course correction is coming any time soon.
The core experience doesn't feel enough to retain veterans anymore.
Multiplayer has this massive anti-cheat hole in its fabric and the soon™ spiel could use a boost that I'm not sure the divisions feature is capable of delivering.
The list of recurring issues also suggests that whatever positives the acquisition brought to the table, not enough of it has impacted their main routines.
