Formula 1 2024 MUST come with PSVR2 availability. GT7 is definitely a game changer for lovers of speed and racing simulators. The Formula 1 category is by far one of the most modern sports categories in the world and at the forefront of launches and developments, etc. It's almost like the space industry works (laughs). What is your opinion about this? Should the game come with the possibility of PSVR2? If it doesn't come at launch, is it due to an update?

@TheRagebeard wrote:@SteveJackson "And I am obviously in a shocking subset who would rather the game was better than supported VR in any fashion!" you are not part of a shocking subset. 95%+ of the people who buy this game would prefer a better overall experience to having VR capabilities. The average consumer who's going to buy this game not only doesn't have VR they don't even have a wheel.Many people overlook the fact that as "hardcore" players who spent a bunch on money on a sim racing setup we tend to normalize that "hardcoreness" both because we hang around this board with other hardcore sim racers and our IRL friends tend to skew towards hardcore sim racing. As you mention the population as a whole is a bunch on controller Charlies who save they're money for other interests or to diversify their collection of games.TLDR: I completely agree with you, throw VR in throw and focus on making a decent game.I was being a little facetious.The point is twofold, even those that buy VR don’t always want to use it for racing. So it does seem that 1.1% may be a generous figure. And @mariohomoh is correct, if resources are tight VR is the last thing to develop.

@superhoops82 wrote:@Cpayne32 I imagine the number of PSVR2 players buying F124 if it supported the headset would be a fair bit higher than that. Certainly at least 100,000 if you align it to number of RE4 remake players playing that game in VR. I imagine there is less uptake of individual horror games in VR, firstly because they are scary as hell on VR (from personal opinion) and secondly because there is a large selection of games like that already. F124 only has GT7 to compete against and F124 would offer something very different with it having real life drivers and a proper real life championship to take part in with actual qualifying and standing grid starts. Just looking on the comments for F124 on EA F1 twitter (sorry, X), the most requested things appear to be better graphics, more realism with the physics, better helmet design and PSVR2 support. There is a target audience of 1.3 million PSVR2 users (maybe more) if they add the support. Those are not small numbers. Now is a better time than any with GT7 being the only racing game available for it currently. Personally, I think F1 game sales would have a better chance of improving by adding a feature that is actually adding something significant to the game rather than adding features like "improved handling" which are purely subjective and seems to be a thing that is added every year. I keep seeing comments that the game hasn't really changed since 2020 (some even saying since 2016) and that year on year sales are in the decline. Think they're missing a trick here to be honest and seem happy enough to offer the bare minimum with their annual updates.Out of interest, what is needed to improve the career mode? I've not played an F1 game since 2020 and would only play career mode, but I don't know what more I'd personally want from it. Seemed to have a lot to do in it back in 2020 and didn't really have any complaints about it myself back then. I would definitely want to do the podium ceremony on PSVR2 though. That would be awesome. Is that in there on PC VR?You're deluded to push your personal agenda like that. Cloud cuckoo land. A real captain of industry.

They really need to add PSVR2 compatibility. There is a big target audience out there who own the headset and who are in awe of how it works with GT7 (like I am). This could be a real headset seller for those who haven't bought it yet as F1's popularity is huge. I've got no interest in buying an F1 game without PSVR2 support. Once you race in VR, there is no going back. There is also only one VR racing game for PSVR2, so I'd say a hefty percentage of the 1.3 million (?) PSVR2 owners would pick this up.

Honestly, it's a fairly simple equation for CM. How easy/time consuming is it to implement PSVR2?What percentage of our players play on PlayStation?Of those who play on PS5 how many have virtual reality headsets?TLDR, You need to reach come sort of critical mass in terms of player base to make it worthwhile and I'm inclined to agree with @ScarDuck14 that it seems unlikely.Also given the number of bugs, glitches and lack of innovation relating to core gameplay features that tend to accompany every new release I think the community would be better served by them focusing on those issues instead of implementing something that's going to be used by less than 5% of the player base.

Come on, guys...EA has tons of info and insights about the gaming market and gamers preferences. Easy to presume that if this implementation was really profitable in terms of compressing it into a already tight development schedule, perhaps leading to other improvements being dropped, it would be already done.Not to mention that developing in PCs is way easier than on consoles, actually this could be the no-go for PSVR2.Time is expensive and maybe we need to look the bigger picture.

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Neil_RS60
Seasoned Rookie
9 months ago
I’m still wondering what the goals/fees are from F1/Liberty driving EA’s target for game sales. Is this still a continued attempt to extend F1/DTS into gaming, ala NFL/FIFA and sell as many as possible to even the most casual fans, or will there be a strong enough focus on the harder core racing fan? Is eSports still a target? I think this is still at play in F1 24 based on the marketing I’ve seen so far with some claimed improvements aimed towards all groups. F1 24 sales/reviews will be an interesting indicator.

As to VR, PCVR is in F1 24 because its copied and pasted from 23 along w Ego and PSVR2 won’t happen as long as the Ego engine is still being used. PC VR strikes me as pretty niche, at least in F1 series overall sales including consoles. But someone at EA/CM thinks PCVR is important enough to bring it to WRC, along w re-engining to Unreal, enough to support 4 brands, 7 total headsets (no extra effort or complexity there right? we’ll see how that goes)

When F1 gets re-engined (probably for 25) so only new gen consoles are supported (and if PC VR comes along - depends on how it goes w WRC I guess) would be the soonest EA/CM might even consider PSVR2, but that would have to get decided in the next 6 months so doesn’t seem likely, unless the penetration of PSVR2 for GT7 the only RACING game (not general games) is deemed significant enough (and whether Sony will decide there is a future for VR under its current latest regime and actually support/promote it). I’d love to see it but not overly optimistic for F1 25 atm

Interestingly CM did add PSVR1 support to Dirt a while back, so maybe they just really hated doing it (or Sony) and said never again
mata1juan
9 months ago
Fair love my psvr 2
superhoops82
9 months ago
@ScarDuck14 yeah horror games are a struggle for me in VR. Can play them after some drinks and with friends, but wouldn't go near one at home on my own and sober. Walkabout Mini-Golf is great. Works well for local play, passing the headset around every few holes until everyone has done a full round. Hoping for another Astrobot game though. The PSVR1 game was one of my favourites of any platform, let alone for VR. Was very clever how they used VR in a platform game.
Going back to F1 games though, I finally got round to watching that Lee Mather interview you posted (thanks for posting that). Was quite funny seeing the interviewer say that VR was one of his favourite (or favourite) features from the last game and wanted to know what they had in store for VR in F1 24. Lee looked very awkward when sheepishly saying that nothing was changing for VR. Clearly didn't want to discuss that at all!
ScarDuck14
Legend
9 months ago
@superhoops82 Make no mistake I’m pretty sure the dev team would love to add support. Including Lee.

But I’m willing to bet EAs money men wouldn’t give the team the budget they would need.

In David Grecos F1 22 Q&A. He was asked what other features he’d like to add to the games. Before I he replied I was expecting him to name one or two things. His list was long and extensive. I can only conclude he hadn’t added them because he never got the resources he’d need
ScarDuck14
Legend
9 months ago
@superhoops82 As for psvr games. I must admit i bought Star Wars squadrons. Which I see a few posts say it was great in VR. So was alittle tempted. But as I’ve said I’m more than happy using a flat screen. Very few games that interest me. So can’t justify buying it. I’ve got enough cash in my sock drawer to buy ten of the things. But it appears as I’ve got older I’ve got tighter
superhoops82
9 months ago
@ScarDuck14 Star Wars Squadrons worked brilliantly. I didn't think they'd do a full game in VR and thought they'd just stick with the original tech demo which was unbelievable.
Although I'd highly recommend for anyone to try GT7 VR, in some ways you're possibly wiser not to get PSVR2 just yet, as you'd end up equally frustrated as the rest of us PSVR2 owners who can no longer go back to flat screen and can't play F1 in VR yet.
Do you have a wheel setup? Or just controller? Getting a wheel was a similar situation for me as I didn't want to play racing games without one after that (apart from Mario Kart type games).
When I played F1 games on flat screen, I found myself relying on the corner breaking guides too much as I didn't have the time to learn each circuit well enough without them. With VR though, I can pretty much learn a circuit within about 5 to 10 laps to get a decent enough laptop time. Mainly because you can pick out so many details a lot easier when the circuit is all around you.
I may give F123 a try as it was free on PS Plus. Luckily the team line ups are the same as this year and I've never driven Miami or Vegas, so that'll be something new.
ScarDuck14
Legend
9 months ago
@superhoops82 The big benefit for using PSVR2 in racing games is you don’t have to worry about POV settings. But as I’ve said GT7 is as awesome in PSVR2. Because it was the perfect game to showcase it. And as Sony wanted to blow everyone away with how good it is. I’m willing they poured way more resources into getting perfect. Whereas other game’s publishers will give their developers the minimum and least possible time…. thus all AAA game pretty much release in a broken unfinished mess. Unfortunately cooperate greed in tech and pharma is disgusting. Only care about quarterly statements. So CEO only care about maximising short term profits to keep shareholders happy. Last EA. Conference call. All questions were pretty much from investment backs asking about in game advertising. In Game monetisation profits etc etc. one question was about a game. Obviously included as a token.

For all my working life I’ve been a professional driver. And although I love racing games. Last thing I want to do when I’m home is anything that reminds me of a wheel. So despite I average 600 hours in just this game. I have 200 hours so far in WRC. Using a steering wheel to similar to work, same for VR as it’s so similar to sitting in a car. I’m not a sim racer. Has I’ve had many near misses that would have been fatal having driven 2 million miles. Good chunk at speed. Hardcore Sim racing doesn’t excite me. I’m gamer that loves racing games. I don’t race looking for world record times or be a toxic elitest and spend my time complaining the game is broken cause someone on pad beat me in my 20k sim rig. Games for me are or were fun. It’s getting harder these days but still sweating to play a game isn’t me
ScarDuck14
Legend
8 months ago
Good news people… Time to rejoice. You can now play on PSVR2 woo hooo

Oh you’ll need to get the game on steam. But as you were all ok with paying for it to be added in a DLC this shouldn’t be a problem
https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2024/06/psvr2s-pc-adapter-available-on-7th-august-costs-usd60
Neil_RS60
Seasoned Rookie
8 months ago
@ScarDuck14 woohoo!! - yeah! - oh wait now I need a 2K+ gaming pc doh!
Just as you didn’t want to come home from your driving job to sit at a wheel, as a long time IT person coming home to wrangle a Windows PC felt exactly the same - more work not play😜
Meteore
8 months ago
Not a big deal !! The problem isn’t the headset but the hardware plateform. I don’t have a PC gamer type. Probably quest 3 is similar of PSVR2!!!

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