Hi EA/Codemasters,here is the graph about "Grip & Wear" (on Dry) taken from ERP file... it seems there is no performance cross between the compounds, is this right? Meaning a 50% used C5 is always faster than a 50% used C3 etc. Is it like this because of the new wear system based on tyre temps? Also Inters look so close to C1... 😕F1 24While this was F1 23Thanks,Nuv

@NuvolarixPersonally i think this might be okay if the tyre temp system would be as severe as it should have been.. This would make a C3 at 50% faster than a C5 at 50% and also a overheated intermediate after a few laps way slower than a C1..Instead of only losing 1% grip while overheating C5s by 20° it should rather be it should rather be close to 3%.. for inters it would obviously overheat considerably more but actually does already cost quite a few seconds on a high speed track like Qatar when they get to 130° ending up 3-4 seconds per lap slower than C1s

@void_snw yes the wear rate is also different but I think they key point is the new temps system which affects wear and probably quite a lot

@Nuvolarix I will test it thoroughly after work but going by pure numbers overheating doesnt cost much grip and from a different test i did even 160° temps didnt wear the tyres like crazy it felt like, but i didnt check properly for that, as i said i was actually testing something different, will give an update in about 12 hours😂

@Meza994 hmm doesn't sound that good 🥳

@Nuvolarix So going from ideal temps to surface temps peaking at over 200° and carcass temp averaging over 200° the wear is probably around 30-35% higher but even if its closer to 40% this test was even over the absolute maximum, so vastly exaggerated.. worst case the temps will likely only cause 5-10% more wear compared to perfect temps which is something but not worth sacrificing a lot of pace for..The tyre temps effect on grip however was a bit more interesting.. carcass temps averaging between 1500° and 2000° and surface temps going up to 1000° degrees.. Obviously completely unrealistic and just modded so that all the temps are non stop at the maximum grip loss and the result was about 3 seconds slower than with ideal temps which funny enough is more affected by the surface temps than the carcass temps.. But again thats the exaggerated example, with carcass temps at 130° and surface at 150° the grip loss would only cause less than 1.5s slower laptime but those surface temps would rarely be so high throughout the lap so the effective time loss would rather be 0.5-1.0s per lap.. IMO not worth sacrifing mechanical grip for 2-3 degree less tyre temps if you feel much more comfortable with a setup change also not changing much between different compounds at race temps..The testing was only done on C3 tyres at Qatar but is comparable - on some tracks more extreme on some less.

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17 Replies

Meza994
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@NuvolarixPersonally i think this might be okay if the tyre temp system would be as severe as it should have been.. This would make a C3 at 50% faster than a C5 at 50% and also a overheated intermediate after a few laps way slower than a C1..

Instead of only losing 1% grip while overheating C5s by 20° it should rather be it should rather be close to 3%.. for inters it would obviously overheat considerably more but actually does already cost quite a few seconds on a high speed track like Qatar when they get to 130° ending up 3-4 seconds per lap slower than C1s
void_snw
Rising Scout
2 years ago
@Nuvolarix This seems alright. I mean, do we have any info on what tyres are like when worn to a rough percentage? As in, who's to say worn softs aren't faster than hards that had just as much profile worn off? Of course, getting to that point of wear will take very different lengths of time on the different compounds.
Lifbout
2 years ago
Could you upload the raw file if u can?
Nuvolarix
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@void_snw yes the wear rate is also different but I think they key point is the new temps system which affects wear and probably quite a lot
Nuvolarix
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@Lifbout wrote:
Could you upload the raw file if u can?
Hi, you have DM 😉
DanieleCas72
Seasoned Novice
2 years ago
Hi Nuvolarix. Can i ask you me too the file? Thanks!!!
Nuvolarix
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
Hi @DanieleCas72, DM for you too 🙂
Meza994
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@Nuvolarix I will test it thoroughly after work but going by pure numbers overheating doesnt cost much grip and from a different test i did even 160° temps didnt wear the tyres like crazy it felt like, but i didnt check properly for that, as i said i was actually testing something different, will give an update in about 12 hours😂
Nuvolarix
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@Meza994 hmm doesn't sound that good 🥳
Meza994
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@Nuvolarix So going from ideal temps to surface temps peaking at over 200° and carcass temp averaging over 200° the wear is probably around 30-35% higher but even if its closer to 40% this test was even over the absolute maximum, so vastly exaggerated.. worst case the temps will likely only cause 5-10% more wear compared to perfect temps which is something but not worth sacrificing a lot of pace for..

The tyre temps effect on grip however was a bit more interesting.. carcass temps averaging between 1500° and 2000° and surface temps going up to 1000° degrees.. Obviously completely unrealistic and just modded so that all the temps are non stop at the maximum grip loss and the result was about 3 seconds slower than with ideal temps which funny enough is more affected by the surface temps than the carcass temps.. But again thats the exaggerated example, with carcass temps at 130° and surface at 150° the grip loss would only cause less than 1.5s slower laptime but those surface temps would rarely be so high throughout the lap so the effective time loss would rather be 0.5-1.0s per lap.. IMO not worth sacrifing mechanical grip for 2-3 degree less tyre temps if you feel much more comfortable with a setup change also not changing much between different compounds at race temps..

The testing was only done on C3 tyres at Qatar but is comparable - on some tracks more extreme on some less.