Thank you Gillon for telling the truth

Darthsausage44
9 months ago
@SteffenHartwigI did at first but changed some wheel settings and explored the setups and problem went away
this is why i have suggested we have a manual or something to explain the changes, what they mean and guidence on game and car setup. Some seem to have dialled the issues down by learning understanding and experimenting some seem to struggle. If you want it to be the same as 23 play that I guess.
The irony is the creators in previous years complain nothing changes. Now it has and everyone wants it the same.
Nuvolarix
Seasoned Ace
9 months ago
@Darthsausage44 wrote:
The irony is the creators in previous years complain nothing changes. Now it has and everyone wants it the same.
Because change is not positive regardless, it is positive if it changes for the better 😉
SteffenHartwig
9 months ago
@Darthsausage44 The crucial problem with this will be that the casual gamer has no interest in reading through manuals before he can properly play a game. I know what you're getting at and I partly agree with you. I think the basic foundation on which the game is based is fantastic, but it only makes it better if it feels like it, and as of now it doesn't, at least for the majority of players.
f123 was a big step forward from f122, I hardly know anyone here who wouldn't agree with that. I can only refer to the last beta test here, but it now feels like a massive step back in my opinion. It's also completely okay that you have a completely different opinion about it. But I think that as a publisher you should look at the criticism of the majority and respond to it. Here I also have to say that the opinion of content creators and ESports doesn't matter at all and should also be for EA/CM. They are not the cash cows.
Nellix82
New Ace
9 months ago
@SteffenHartwig it was enough to adjust the traction of the 23 especially on the 1st 2nd 3rd gear and it was also good to pad implement the dynamic suspension and try and then adjust instead they complicated their life by presenting a game that can only be played on the pad for occasional and only arcade players... that What worries me now is how they will move? Can this disaster be remedied? The fact is that they will rightly lose so many copies and I want to think about the useless things like the music, the Coca-Cola liveries etc... as well as the continuous advertisements with the real pilots that we know all of whom are paid as sponsors....is it understood that we are in 2024? and with the modern era we know everything?
SteffenHartwig
9 months ago
@Nellix82 I agree with you 100%!
Rapheal629
9 months ago
@SteffenHartwig I used to be the person that would crack open my new copy of a game in the car ride home just to learn how to play it so that upon arriving home and putting the disc in my PlayStation, I could experiment with the controls.

Here, it's different, I agree that to the casual player, they're not gonna know how to dial out the understeer of the car or how to stop the car bottoming out on the bumps.

It's very shameful that the Codemasters handling team appear to have imported the Dynamic Kinematics to F1 and not really tweaked enough to make it feel good for players. I don't normally quote IGN because I don't like them very much, but reading their Project Cars 3 review on the topic of its handling is not dissimilar to what we're seeing, it says and I quote: "Slightly Mad Studios has reinvented Project Cars as a mainstream, casual-friendly racer. Gripped up front, loose at the rear and hard braking", sound familiar? Apparently, the Dynamic Kinematics System was used in Project Cars and ported over, which may explain why it feels similar to that title.

I hardly touched F1 22, I was just not having any enjoyment out of it, F1 23 came along and I still play it to this day, EA have their earbuds in and their blindfolds on because every clip we've seen was the default, it shouldn't take us as players to recalibrate the handling model with setup nuances to mitigate the atrocious changes made to it. For EA not even acknowledging the content creator's opinions who will be playing it throughout the cycle and in turn tempt players to buy it later, they're gonna take one look at some videos and they'll be like "nah we're good, we'll stick to F1 23, F1 24 looks horrible to drive".
Darthsausage44
9 months ago
Now Gillon has released a video. Aparantly experimenting with the setup improves the car. Who knew? They will be doing it in real formula 1 next😆
still, got lots of views with his one sided one dimensional its all broken rubbish
Ryan97NZ
9 months ago
@Darthsausage44 Because it is broken rubbish. He found a setup that feels a little nicer but he'll never be fast with it because it's slower than top time trial setups by miles.
Darthsausage44
9 months ago
@Ryan97NZ How is having to find a set up sweet spot broken rubbish? Do you even watch motorsport?
hassan8486
9 months ago
At this point this is a lost cause, I hope the handling improve and they find a real solution.
Nellix82
New Ace
9 months ago
@hassan8486 they will certainly make it playable because it is in their interest but as I said already on the 23rd I don't see any prospects... they seem stuck on only 2 ideas: career and arcade
ElloGuvnor58
9 months ago
My take on what we’re all looking for is just some word from an EA member as to whether they are even aware of how poor the handling is, and whether they are looking to make changes. Or if they’re already checking out with their paycheck and saying ‘See you suckers in F1 25!’
TheRagebeard
Hero
9 months ago
@ElloGuvnor58 They are unlikely to comment on the handling. The forums are for players to interact with players, not EA staff.
Groguet already did his obligatory “we welcome all feedback both positive and negative as long as it isn’t rude or offensive” back on like page 3 or 4 so that’s about all you will hear from EA on the subject.
ScarDuck14
Legend
9 months ago
@ElloGuvnor58 be warned Old man rambling incoming

@ElloGuvnor58 The current handling model. I’m almost certain will ship with the game. As other key aspects of the physics and game will be optimised and tested. For instance if it turns out that it’s a front suspension problem. That will need to redesigned. Which will change how tyres temps and wear throughout race. So they would have to test how tyres perform and adjust them to work across all tracks and conditions. What’s more how things like tests that upgrades in career are not knocked out of balance. Etc etc the list is never ending. David god love him is great but not infallible and he will admit he dropped the ball in 22. But only a few refinements to handling model could be made. And took a few months before they were released in patch.

Unfortunately when the game releases version 1.0 plus day one patch. Believe it or not that is the best game will be. As all its parts.are balanced through testing in conditions controlled by the team. When game launches and people post bugs reports. Once they replicate it they can only fix the specific issue. So for every patch that’s drop will fix known issues. And not other game mechanisms that interact. What tends to happen is more bug fixes that require 15 patch updates or more. Will gradually increase balancing issue and conflcts. It’s main reason patch’s often create more bugs than they fix. And beat the team can do is put out fires when they start. Or as a last resort quietly disabling game mechanics. It’s not just these games. All games that have used the same base code year on year. Have changes made year on year by a different coder year on year resulting in when current coder locates and makes a fix. There will be so much spaghetti code. It’s impossible to know if changes they make cause a conflict else where.

So game is still be worked on including making improvements to handling and will be right up to last possible minute, But when game is released that’s pretty much the base off what we will have for the year. Patches and refinements to handling will come. But don’t expect handling to become great after a patch. Despite what it says in patch notes.

I’d like to think Casey had a clean canvas to design his vision and ideas for handling. Which when finished would effortlessly be added into the game. But the canvas he was given and hadt to use Had 10ish year’s off designs from a previous handling designer. So maybe it would have been better making fewer and smaller changes to a handling designs that majority of us praised praised from 1st F1 23 beta. If it’s not broke. But as we all do . When getting a new important job or similar, We want to show we can knock it out off the park on day one. Problem is when swinging for fences it’s very easy to miss the ball completely. Which I don’t think he did. He hit it just didn’t get to the fence. Given more time it will be all his designs and will make it right next year. As David did after a bad 22 he came back with a banger in 23. Although I first spoke to him when he was working on it. So obviously saw my chance to tell him what he needed to change. So he was fortunate having some random clueless player tell him a (0.1% sim racer who had years off experience designing handling for games🙄😂) that I’m all knowing
Nuvolarix
Seasoned Ace
9 months ago
@TheRagebeard wrote:
@ElloGuvnor58 They are unlikely to comment on the handling. The forums are for players to interact with players, not EA staff.
It shouldn't necessarily be like this and it's a pity IMHO, sometimes (just giving the impression of) listening to the players can have positive implications for both devs and folk. The goal is the same, players want a better game and are willing to pay for it, the developer sells more with a better game.
As long as comments and criticism are constructive, perhaps it is worth "getting your hands dirty". Also to make known the future perspective, what you intend to improve, how you intend to work. Because without it maybe people have no patience and say "goodbye" when perhaps knowing the roadmap they could stay.
Just brainstorming here and maybe food for thought for EA staff 😉
Nuvolarix
Seasoned Ace
9 months ago
I would also add a suggestion regarding the Beta phase (or perhaps Alpha and perhaps it already exists): there should be an earlier moment in which to try the new product, perhaps to a smaller selection, but still in time to make changes to the handling.
Because after all, in a racing game, handling is everything.
The current Beta phase seems more like a mere bug finder or compatibility tests extended to platforms and devices.
Nellix82
New Ace
9 months ago
@Nuvolarix the beta only serves to welcome people. let's consider that the occasional player comes in, sees the wear, the car is abandoned, exclaims wow, how nice and spreads the word today Gillon showed another video he tried everything on the setups no results what are we talking about.. .
DavidLld33
Rising Veteran
9 months ago
That's the problem: listening and communicating with the community... It's sure to listen to Max, Lando or Charles who promote the games saying that the games are realistic, the developers can boast of releasing a game complete and successful... 💸
ScarDuck14
Legend
9 months ago
@Nellix82 Last year because the handling was great out off the box. Being what we were all worried about it be the same as 22 or worse. All the videos leaks last year actually benefited the game and unintentionally gave us hope. But then F1 world and the bugs made babies.

This year we all Cling on by our fingernails. Hoping that they will solve it…. Even if it’s not perfect. But to a point playing with settings and setups can dial out any small problems
Darthsausage44
9 months ago
How many of you have actually driven the beta and how many are just off on one based on you tube?
Darthsausage44
9 months ago
@Nellix82Saying he got no results is not true. What he showed is Its a new handling system. It needs learning. Sure may need a tweak. But go look at f123 facebook group. Loads who played the beta prefer 24 to 23. Get a balanced view.
out of intrest did you play the beta? Or is all your opinion based on you tube?
Nellix82
New Ace
9 months ago
@ScarDuck14 what you say is very true but there was only one thing to fix here we have the rear that doesn't turn super exaggerated traction (you don't lose it even if you pay while in reality the feeling of loss is always there) in the rain a dry ride on curbs as if if it weren't for the tire temperature which never rises in qualifying which is perfect how many patches do they need? will they be able to do all this assuming they don't care about our opinions which I highly doubt given the previous ones
Nellix82
New Ace
9 months ago
@Darthsausage44 I played the beta and I drive elite without help as soon as I put it on I noticed this jerky turning on the non-existent curbs the traction which is exaggerated even by modifying the setup you improve a little but don't call it a racing game.... who talks about preferences organizes championships? Does he have a career? Does he play with help or without? And occasionally or not?
ScarDuck14
Legend
9 months ago
@Darthsausage44Most off us have driven the beta
also there were literally thousands off feedback posts. With every one of them explaining the same issue in various different way.

id say being very generous 10 % liked it. But I never read any in-depth feedback posts from those that did. Other than handling feels better. And this was their first f1 game. So did not have a good handling experience to compare t with
Darthsausage44
9 months ago
@Nellix82The traction has been improved from feedback by actual f1 drivers - so on what basis do you consider it exaggerated? You havent driven an f1 car so how is your opinion better than Max or Lando?
i had too pointy steering to begin but its easy to dial out.