Thank you Gillon for telling the truth

@ElloGuvnor58  They are unlikely to comment on the handling. The forums are for players to interact with players, not EA staff.

Groguet already did his obligatory “we welcome all feedback both positive and negative as long as it isn’t rude or offensive” back on like page 3 or 4 so that’s about all you will hear from EA on the subject.

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@ElloGuvnor58  They are unlikely to comment on the handling. The forums are for players to interact with players, not EA staff.

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It shouldn't necessarily be like this and it's a pity IMHO, sometimes (just giving the impression of) listening to the players can have positive implications for both devs and folk. The goal is the same, players want a better game and are willing to pay for it, the developer sells more with a better game. 

As long as comments and criticism are constructive, perhaps it is worth "getting your hands dirty". Also to make known the future perspective, what you intend to improve, how you intend to work. Because without it maybe people have no patience and say "goodbye" when perhaps knowing the roadmap they could stay.

Just brainstorming here and maybe food for thought for EA staff 😉

I would also add a suggestion regarding the Beta phase (or perhaps Alpha and perhaps it already exists): there should be an earlier moment in which to try the new product, perhaps to a smaller selection, but still in time to make changes to the handling.

Because after all, in a racing game, handling is everything.

The current Beta phase seems more like a mere bug finder or compatibility tests extended to platforms and devices.

That's the problem: listening and communicating with the community... It's sure to listen to Max, Lando or Charles who promote the games saying that the games are realistic, the developers can boast of releasing a game complete and successful... 💸

How many of you have actually driven the beta and how many are just off on one based on  you tube?

@Nellix82Saying he got no results is not true. What he showed is Its a new handling system. It needs learning. Sure may need a tweak. But go look at f123 facebook group. Loads who played the beta prefer 24 to 23. Get a balanced view.

out of intrest did you play the beta? Or is all your opinion based on you tube?

@Darthsausage44Most off us have driven the beta

also there were literally thousands off feedback posts.  With every one of them explaining the same issue in various different way.   

id say being very generous 10 % liked it.  But I never read any in-depth feedback posts from those that did.  Other than handling feels better.    And this was their first f1 game.  So did not have a good handling experience to compare t with 

@Nellix82The traction has been improved from feedback by actual f1 drivers - so on what basis do you consider  it exaggerated? You havent driven an f1 car so how is your opinion better than Max or Lando?

i had too pointy steering to begin  but its easy to dial out.

@Darthsausage44  There is one thing that must be understood and clarified. Max or Lando and even Charles are present on the media (EA SPORT F1) to give an opinion that's certain but first of all in order to promote the games. They are there to advertise it's business. Let's stop being naive because a real F1 driver said this or said that. I watched EA SPORT F1 live when they brought together Charles, Alex Albon, Aubameyang... to race in Monaco on F1 24. When Charles' opinion was asked about the game, you just have to look at his face to see that it is indeed a promoter of the game who is responding and not a follower of the franchise or a fan

@Darthsausage44Yes traction has improved. A tank has even more traction. Doesn’t mean it’s better. 😇

And I’m a professionally trained driver with over 2 million miles: in that time I’ve driven all different types of cars: I’ve driven cars that have tons of traction but feel completely numb and lazy. I’ve driven cars that have little traction but give amazing feedback you can virtually feel every pebble your tyres go over through the steering wheel.

I’d had an Audi TT.. 3 different models. All of them had great traction but god boring to drive. Then I got a RS4 twice the torque and nearly twice the BHP. Because it’s a European muscle car. It had less traction due to the amount of power it put through the wheels. But handled infinitely better than the TT. It’s not the traction that’s the problem it’s how the game processes and then translate inputs from player to game and back again.

If you can’t understand this. But continue to believe you’re right cause a couple of F1 drivers said so. ( Because selling the game raises awareness of F1 and brings in new fans,  it’ll be all part of the licensing agreement.  EA gives FOM millions for the license and will develop the official F1 game.  To help market it. As it’s in high their interests FOM will make drivers available for promoting game)  that’s why you see F1 drivers in promotional videos right now. Not because they like or car about thx game. But because they will be contractually obligated to.  

Lando hardly ever sim races. Max is obsessed..  but with iRacjng.

Sorry but if you can’t read the room and still think everyone who has experienced the car’s handling behaviour are the ones wrong.  And you are one of very few that think it’s right. You are just wasting everyone. Time who have been extremely kind and polite trying to help you by explain how it all works.  From what the car handles like and how it should. And F1 drivers get paid to see nice things about all F1 things that have potential to increase marketing opportunities 

@ScarDuck14How patronising are you. The game was developed with MV’s feedback And your an expert cos you had a audi TT😆

explain how it works. Ive work in software development for 30 years. Ive done extensive go kart racing. Oh and Ive had M cars, type R’s and Imprezas. Im entitled to an opinion and I just think Max Verstappens feed back to the developers is more valid than keyboard warriors is all

@Darthsausage44  That's where the problem is! Max does a few races on the F1 game that the whole community sees on the EA SPORT F1 advertising, so the game is perfect. No ! I repeat, it's promotion, marketing, advertising, business... It's part of the communication of the F1 games 24,23,22... It's a bit like putting a gold blanket over an old sofa without being disrespectful of course. Money dominates F1 in real life, it is valid in the world of video games and even more so in “Official EA” games.

@Nellix82But my point is i dont care how it compares to other computer games i want it to be a close to reality as possible. And if the feedback from real drivers is give it  more traction then im happy with that. But for anyone to say its wrong compared to real f1 driver feedback is nonsensical surely? If you just want it adjusted to be how you feel its right the problem is it will always be wrong for someone. If they make it a close to real as possible - based on real feedback - then it at least has some legitamacy even if people dont personally like it 

@DavidLld33They have had feedback from f1 drivers and engineers i believe to use as guidence on how to make the cars drive, setup effects etc. seperate to any marketing stuff. So advice from the best sources possible have been incorporated. Im not suggesting its right becuse he is sponsered ea but that it should be at least ball park valid as  he had given some advice on how the car should drive?

this from Lee Mather

So for example, in recent years, something that we've heard from several of the drivers has been traction isn't good enough in-game and that a Formula 1 car's traction is way more impressive than anybody could possibly imagine out of a corner and that it's very rare they ever break traction out of a corner, unless it's a particularly slow corner.

Or they're being overly aggressive or the tires are worn or cold. So traction is an area that we've really focused on, which kind of comes a lot from not only the changes we've made to the tire model, but also the suspension kinematics and the changes in weight, the center of mass location. So now the weight transfer to the rear.

The fact that the suspension can cope with anti-dive and anti-squat, you know, it allows for the anti-squat, for the contact patch of the tire to be more effective. So all of those things, very, very real world, very simulation, but they actually feed into having a car that's more approachable.

so are you saying this is a total lie or that you know better when it comes to f1 car traction?

@ScarDuck14. If he designs realistic sim models then whats everyone complaining about?

and just because you drove a 4wd estate car on track doesnt mean a thing. Ive driven a v12 rwd ferrari on track, numerous go karts and a caterham,  but i dont think it means i know more than anyone else in this situation - a simulated f1 car - and neither should you imho

Anyway at the end of the day we all just want to enjoy the game and I hope we all do even if it takes a few patches. Which lets be honest it usually does. 

i just dont want to hit ea at the moment, the final release isnt even out. I applaud them for trying to make it better and more realistic at least however it turns out🤞

Lee Mather interview discussing handling changes in F1 24

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysDIbFQG4PI