AI gaining Massive Speed on the straights

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@nkzsry9q2v3n wrote:

We are still testing and trying to understand where the issue is, could you maybe tell me what engine manufacturer you use for myteam and your difficulty setting+assists ? We are trying every possible thing to understand what the issue is. Also have you tried playing in career and gp mode ? If yes do you have similar results as in myteam ? If no, could you try and tell us if it's different/if you are faster in gp mode or career mode ? Thanks in advance !

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I play at 98 AI without any assists. I have Renault engine and in R&D, I have the worst engine, even after couple of upgrades.

 

I have tried GP right after launch and did not find anything weird. However that was a quick testing and of course not familiar with the new handling at all. Can give it a new try at some point.

After 36 hours playing only GP mode as Sergio Perez, AI at 95 and no assists I have become very competitive and not struggling nearly as much as I did in the first 15-20 hours of game play. What I did to improve was practice a track in TT mode. I would pick Jarno Opmeer's setup and set him as my rival. I'm always at least 1.5 seconds slower but I got a lot better at driving and throttle application through a 30-45 minute TT session. Following his telemetry shows were my weakest points are. Before using Jarno's setups I would go with TRL setups which I found understeer too much for my style.  

Jarno's setups really suit my driving style and feel very stable on corner entries and exits. My corners exits made the most improvement and I was able to make use of the DRS and ERS better on straights. If you watch the AI they constantly hit the overtake button for very short periods on corners exits and mid way through straights. Applying this same technique also helps stick with them on straights. So far I have only done Bahrain and Austria but I am winning medium distance races at 95AI. Usually starting from 6 to 4th place. 

One thing that was really weird was in Austria I was having a strange thing happen in 6th gear during a race. Midway through the gear the revs would drop a bit and slowly climb back up. I was losing power briefly but only in 6th gear. I exited the race and started over with a different setup and the problem was gone. 

@Hansenhaus Im pretty sure the issue for Gp mode was resolved on release as I made this post on the champions edition pre-release, but the issue still remains for My team As I tested GP mode today and it was fixed

Started playing a co-op career with a friend and went to Alpine. Can say that with 101 AI in Bahrain the only moment where I struggled was when I tried to overtake Bottas in the main straight with DRS. Only with ERS I could see the difference in overspeed I had over him, but without it it was almost the same speed. 

The thing here is the setup. I had 27-24 wings, but at the moment I don't know the setup the AI have. I know that in the last games they've been using the same setup every race. So either they are running a really low downforce setup every race or they have actually some kind of bug.

In MyTeam I still think the problem is in our car, because when I compare my speed with my teammate in a high downforce track I lose a little bit to him on a straight but in a low DF track that does not happen at all. However with the other teams the struggle is in every single track and for me it seems that it's the amount of drag that was coded to the car that makes it feel really slow on a straight.

@TomasSlb24 Every race now gives you the best default setup for that track.  Whatever setup that maybe is also what setup the ai are using.  For instance Bahrain is setup 4 increased speed

@TomasSlb24 @It is the setup the ai are using 

Did we make comparisons in grand prix mode to see the difference?

I don't expect to match the AI when I'm driving a backmarker car in myteam mode, it wouldn't make sense. I am typically faster than my teammate in a straight line though.

I don't really think it's 'fixed' in grand prix mode. I definitely have trouble matching or overtaking the AI with even DRS in that mode too. It might be that it's a larger problem in my team as I finished my first race pretty much dead last there.

Edit: Saying that I improved from about top 5 at Miami to top spot by a little over a hair by snagging the 2nd best time trial setup for that track. That this is fast enough to barely win at 85% difficulty for a controller user like me says it all IMO.

Well this says it all.. kinda😁 myteam newcomer. Racing Imola. My car is 2mph slower on the straight with DRS open.  And was curious to see what my team mates top end was  he’s 5mph faster than me. Despite the fact we now apparently know what setups the ai are running and I on purposely reduced both wings. As it’s imola max tyre pressures.  Fuel load was 0.50ish.  

I’m perplexed and now wishing I didn’t delete 2021 off my ps5🙄

@ScarDuck14 It gets worse because as your Car improves, your teammate gets an even more ridiculous top speed compared to you, sometimes being up to10-20 mph faster than you on a straight line  

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@nkzsry9q2v3n wrote:

Agree with @gizt7 , the only clear cut example I've seen is Jarno's video at Miami where it was pretty obvious there was a problem.

We are still testing and trying to understand where the issue is, could you maybe tell me what engine manufacturer you use for myteam and your difficulty setting+assists ? We are trying every possible thing to understand what the issue is. Also have you tried playing in career and gp mode ? If yes do you have similar results as in myteam ? If no, could you try and tell us if it's different/if you are faster in gp mode or career mode ? Thanks in advance !

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Do you work for Codemasters/EA? Thanks for your engagement if you are 🙂. It would be good to get your profile updated so this is clear to everyone if you are, so your input doesn't get missed.

@LittleAmigoBrit @Over on the proper forum.  We had the mandatory wish list for next game thread 

Some people posted huge lists off things they wanted in 22.  

All I asked for was for myteam to be better balanced.  Feels like devs took my idea and added lots off saliva to it and then slapped me in the face with it. How dare I ask for something sensible 

I would say this seems to be a myteam issue, I've not encountered this in a career or gp modes. I actually thought straight line speed from ai was realistic. 

@Dan78loki  Maybe if they asked forum members who they know put time into myteam over the last 2 years esp those with 1300 hours give or take. To help do the beta for my team. All for the price off free game and unlimited pitcoin.  The devs may  have had a better idea off what  and where issues in myteam were months ago.

Im no coder but FIFA has the same issue:  same base program from way back when. Year on year parts off code are cut out and replaced with new code, coded by a different coder. Which would be fine. Until you then try and add a completely different  physics model to a base program that is now a patchwork quilt and not the 20tog quilt wrapped in 2000 thread Egyptian cotton cover for it needs to be to best support such a big change 

just an assumption on my part.

@Dan78loki I feel this also in the regular career mode. I like the fact that ers + drs + slipstream is not overpowered anymore but the AI speed on the straight is still a lot, that combined with insane traction makes things very hard.

I would be ok with decreasing my AI level, I already did it by 10 points or so compared to 2021 and tried to lower that by 5 more points but it only affects the braking point and cornering, not traction. So less fun unfortunately! This needs to be fixed

@goodhand12Agree I find I'm struggling to keep the traction off corners to the ai.. my example would be the 1-2 turn at Bahrain. I barely keep traction with ai there and I certainly can't do it constantly over a race period 

It’s just the slow corners that are killing me.  Doesn’t want ai car is infront off me coming out off the last chicane at imola. They gain something stupid like half a second:  

But then I get great exit speed onto the main straight compared to the ai infront where it’s blatantly clear a blind person could see how much faster I am. But as soon as I’m right up it’s gear box ers and drs all go.  The ai just manages to maintain enough speed to stay just that bit infront  I can’t even attempt a deep dive

Sadly no sorry @Ultrasonic_77 ^^' I'm just a player who is trying to understand the issue to report it and maybe have it solved faster

On that note, i think with my discord group we can safely say that the issue is on engine upgrade not applying to our car.

We did a test, where we made a myteam with a renault engine and one with a ferrari engine, other than that, same setup, same car upgrades, same teammate, 100Ai, no assist, short qualy

With renault I did a 1:29:85 in barhain, 330 kph in speed trap
With Ferrari i did a 1:29:65 in Barhain, with 333kph in speed trap

I think the difference can be explained with me getting a better lap since I did ferrari after, and also engine caracteristic

Now for the real deal

Huklenberg did a 1:30:1 with renault
And a 1:28:4 with ferrari

Something is definitely up with engine upgrades, they do not apply to the player car. When I have the time, i'll redo a test to see if it wasn't a fluke.

Edit: I redid a test with renault which resulted in a 1:29:35 from Hulkenberg, which is more in expected results, but still confirms the engine problem suspicion

@Man0maN13000 Did the test, I can attest on a loss of 2 tenth per big acceleration zone with TC full, and a best lap of around 1:30:2

I also did a new best lap with renault without tc of 1:29:7 (same session)

Something interesting to note, on the start of that lap, an Alpha Tauri was also starting one or two car lenght behind me, with the AT and myself on hotlap mode and with drs on, he was a car lenght in front of me at the end of the straight

@nkzsry9q2v3n  It’s actually similar to last year. Mainly last around 4 months.  

I have played excess off 900 hours in myteam and never going further than 4 seasons as max car won title and constructors.  Get bored and restart new my team using every power unit. But generally I’d stick to same answers in press interview.  So apart from wether my first r&d passed for Bahrain the only variable was the engine.  

I’ve started hundreds off my team careers last year.  

And have posted on the change in engine performance or characteristics but as most people hadn’t played my team for months and didn’t care others think I was imagining things.

CM imo made  changes to engine performance and wear to each power unit. But never changed the starting values your presented with at the beginning off myteam.

But throughout Mercedes performance was always decent.   But despite both Honda and Renault apparently being down on power compared to Mercedes’, Hondas  top end speed at some point was around 5mph faster and Renault would be roughly the same as Mercedes. With Ferrari being slowest:

So my theory was gear ratios although I’m told they are all the same.  So then as you say engine characteristics on how each power train delivers its power to the wheels

As you obviously know my-team car is heavy draggy lemon in the beginning.

I found when using Ferrari cars top end was slowest but it was also more prone to breaking  traction during midrange accelerating.

Mercedes would behave in a similar way but easier to manage.

Whereas Both Honda and Renault would power through mid range  without ever feeling or fearing breaking  traction 

And with every update engine performance t always seemed a little different but most  noticeable to me was a increase in Ferrari performance.  almost as though the devs were using the later months of 2021 as a secret beta. Perhaps just a thought:

So when it comes to each engine having different characteristics I believe your right. I know I’m talking about last years but may help. And these are just my opinions but t  Ferrari power curve seemed to deliver most  power through mid range and dropping off towards top end

Mercedes abit more balanced giving decent midrange  and decent top end.

Whereas Renault (I hardly used so limited knowledge) and definitely Honda power curve would lean towards top end speed 

And what convinces me ad I’m an old man with stiff on/off fingers  that uses controller.  So as I don’t cry in agony after an hours play time I use auto gears.   Auto gears makes it hard to manage your revs and impossible to hold a gear as auto will decide when to change.

So because off this I found Honda not only best top end but as it was easier to manage accelerating out off slow corners as having lower midrange power ment Less wheel slip. Compared to Mercedes and Ferrari extra power would be wasted

and so finely this to me anyway makes complete sense on how current engine performance is.  All engines  are currently putting  to much power during midrange accelerating. Thus lots off power  isn’t making it onto track. And being wasted Why low on diff is currently all the rage.    And why the upcoming torque update will smooth all this out 

and finally this is why ai are faster on straights.  They accelerate using optimum amounts off throttle at all times.  And those who can keep up with them just have higher amounts off finesse in fingers or toes😁

Ive used no facts this is all just from what I’ve seen read and experienced

@Man0maN13000  The reason is to much power (not your fault) is going to the rear wheels which is forcing the TC to drastically reduce engine power which means the car will bog down as though it’s in a foot off thick sticky mud.  There is a update coming soon but how soon I don’t know that will even out the power curve reducing the amount off power out off slow corners which will Inturn stop TC from having  to take the  drastic  action you are currently experiencing and actually help you accelerate faster 

Did you do the testing in qualifying session, and in real time?

AI are known to just simulate lap times if (at any point of their hot lap) you use fast forward, skip to flying lap, skip to garage, or you crosses the finish line to end the session but with AI still running behind you on their final hot lap.

The problem is, simulated lap times are almost always faster than what the AI could actually do physically. So if you want a realistic representation of how they actually perform, you'll have to run them in real time and avoid using any of the features mentioned above during the duration of their hot laps. Fast forward just one section of the lap could have already significantly affect their actual lap times. 

Another thing, AI are stronger in Career & MyTeam than in Grand Prix mode because of the hidden stat boosts from their own team's facilities. The further you're into the career, the stronger they will be, and the boost effect is actually really significant. 

For doing testing in race session, I suggest everyone to run with fresh PU and only uses whatever default car setup that the game preset for you for every track.