AI gaining Massive Speed on the straights

Sadly no sorry @Ultrasonic_77 ^^' I'm just a player who is trying to understand the issue to report it and maybe have it solved faster

On that note, i think with my discord group we can safely say that the issue is on engine upgrade not applying to our car.

We did a test, where we made a myteam with a renault engine and one with a ferrari engine, other than that, same setup, same car upgrades, same teammate, 100Ai, no assist, short qualy

With renault I did a 1:29:85 in barhain, 330 kph in speed trap
With Ferrari i did a 1:29:65 in Barhain, with 333kph in speed trap

I think the difference can be explained with me getting a better lap since I did ferrari after, and also engine caracteristic

Now for the real deal

Huklenberg did a 1:30:1 with renault
And a 1:28:4 with ferrari

Something is definitely up with engine upgrades, they do not apply to the player car. When I have the time, i'll redo a test to see if it wasn't a fluke.

Edit: I redid a test with renault which resulted in a 1:29:35 from Hulkenberg, which is more in expected results, but still confirms the engine problem suspicion

@Man0maN13000 Did the test, I can attest on a loss of 2 tenth per big acceleration zone with TC full, and a best lap of around 1:30:2

I also did a new best lap with renault without tc of 1:29:7 (same session)

Something interesting to note, on the start of that lap, an Alpha Tauri was also starting one or two car lenght behind me, with the AT and myself on hotlap mode and with drs on, he was a car lenght in front of me at the end of the straight

@nkzsry9q2v3n  It’s actually similar to last year. Mainly last around 4 months.  

I have played excess off 900 hours in myteam and never going further than 4 seasons as max car won title and constructors.  Get bored and restart new my team using every power unit. But generally I’d stick to same answers in press interview.  So apart from wether my first r&d passed for Bahrain the only variable was the engine.  

I’ve started hundreds off my team careers last year.  

And have posted on the change in engine performance or characteristics but as most people hadn’t played my team for months and didn’t care others think I was imagining things.

CM imo made  changes to engine performance and wear to each power unit. But never changed the starting values your presented with at the beginning off myteam.

But throughout Mercedes performance was always decent.   But despite both Honda and Renault apparently being down on power compared to Mercedes’, Hondas  top end speed at some point was around 5mph faster and Renault would be roughly the same as Mercedes. With Ferrari being slowest:

So my theory was gear ratios although I’m told they are all the same.  So then as you say engine characteristics on how each power train delivers its power to the wheels

As you obviously know my-team car is heavy draggy lemon in the beginning.

I found when using Ferrari cars top end was slowest but it was also more prone to breaking  traction during midrange accelerating.

Mercedes would behave in a similar way but easier to manage.

Whereas Both Honda and Renault would power through mid range  without ever feeling or fearing breaking  traction 

And with every update engine performance t always seemed a little different but most  noticeable to me was a increase in Ferrari performance.  almost as though the devs were using the later months of 2021 as a secret beta. Perhaps just a thought:

So when it comes to each engine having different characteristics I believe your right. I know I’m talking about last years but may help. And these are just my opinions but t  Ferrari power curve seemed to deliver most  power through mid range and dropping off towards top end

Mercedes abit more balanced giving decent midrange  and decent top end.

Whereas Renault (I hardly used so limited knowledge) and definitely Honda power curve would lean towards top end speed 

And what convinces me ad I’m an old man with stiff on/off fingers  that uses controller.  So as I don’t cry in agony after an hours play time I use auto gears.   Auto gears makes it hard to manage your revs and impossible to hold a gear as auto will decide when to change.

So because off this I found Honda not only best top end but as it was easier to manage accelerating out off slow corners as having lower midrange power ment Less wheel slip. Compared to Mercedes and Ferrari extra power would be wasted

and so finely this to me anyway makes complete sense on how current engine performance is.  All engines  are currently putting  to much power during midrange accelerating. Thus lots off power  isn’t making it onto track. And being wasted Why low on diff is currently all the rage.    And why the upcoming torque update will smooth all this out 

and finally this is why ai are faster on straights.  They accelerate using optimum amounts off throttle at all times.  And those who can keep up with them just have higher amounts off finesse in fingers or toes😁

Ive used no facts this is all just from what I’ve seen read and experienced

@Man0maN13000  The reason is to much power (not your fault) is going to the rear wheels which is forcing the TC to drastically reduce engine power which means the car will bog down as though it’s in a foot off thick sticky mud.  There is a update coming soon but how soon I don’t know that will even out the power curve reducing the amount off power out off slow corners which will Inturn stop TC from having  to take the  drastic  action you are currently experiencing and actually help you accelerate faster 

Did you do the testing in qualifying session, and in real time?

AI are known to just simulate lap times if (at any point of their hot lap) you use fast forward, skip to flying lap, skip to garage, or you crosses the finish line to end the session but with AI still running behind you on their final hot lap.

The problem is, simulated lap times are almost always faster than what the AI could actually do physically. So if you want a realistic representation of how they actually perform, you'll have to run them in real time and avoid using any of the features mentioned above during the duration of their hot laps. Fast forward just one section of the lap could have already significantly affect their actual lap times. 

Another thing, AI are stronger in Career & MyTeam than in Grand Prix mode because of the hidden stat boosts from their own team's facilities. The further you're into the career, the stronger they will be, and the boost effect is actually really significant. 

For doing testing in race session, I suggest everyone to run with fresh PU and only uses whatever default car setup that the game preset for you for every track.

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@nkzsry9q2v3n wrote:

Sadly no sorry @Ultrasonic_77 ^^' I'm just a player who is trying to understand the issue to report it and maybe have it solved faster

On that note, i think with my discord group we can safely say that the issue is on engine upgrade not applying to our car.

We did a test, where we made a myteam with a renault engine and one with a ferrari engine, other than that, same setup, same car upgrades, same teammate, 100Ai, no assist, short qualy

With renault I did a 1:29:85 in barhain, 330 kph in speed trap
With Ferrari i did a 1:29:65 in Barhain, with 333kph in speed trap

I think the difference can be explained with me getting a better lap since I did ferrari after, and also engine caracteristic

Now for the real deal

Huklenberg did a 1:30:1 with renault
And a 1:28:4 with ferrari

Something is definitely up with engine upgrades, they do not apply to the player car. When I have the time, i'll redo a test to see if it wasn't a fluke.

Edit: I redid a test with renault which resulted in a 1:29:35 from Hulkenberg, which is more in expected results, but still confirms the engine problem suspicion

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Thanks for clarifying. I may have missed the context but it was the way you said 'we' that confused me 🙂,

@Dan78loki  Right now if using medium TC I suggest turning it off or trying Renault in myteam haven’t used it myself yet. But it’s low performance may help manage accelerating.

Currently the amount off torque being sent to the rears is in effect overloading Medium TC.   It’s only able reduce limited amount off engine power compared to full tc that cuts it all. 

So currently it holding some torque which is slowing the car but then players only need add a tiny bit more throttle.  Which it to much for medium tc. And all off a sudden you get higher amount off peak torque which is the reason medium tc users are experiencing instant spin surprise.

The torque update will help limit the amount off power medium tc has to deal with giving you more time to accelerate up the gears before your engine delivers peak torque

@Ultrasonic_77 I thought for a minute CM had brought in a specialist team to quickly find and fix issues so players wouldn’t have to wait days upon days for a solution 

Weird I must have fell asleep and a beautiful dream that CM were being pro active and hiring people that actually understand the game

@Dan78loki  I know little about coding and game physics and very little about car mechanics. But for 16 years and up until recently driving high performance cars was my living.  But sadly at times above all was knowing my limits and the cars limits and never ever exceeding them. As doing either or both could very possibly  result in me having someone’s  death on my conscience. 

understanding the difference between high bhp cars like big turbo old school Subarus and Evo delivered their power and why they are faster on public roads compared to high torque v8 German muscle.

And my instructor one my first physical lesson explained it like this.  Bhp pulls and torque pushes.  Being pulled along is easier to manage accelerating and decelerating on tight public roads.  Which is why evo and Subaru would often outperform exotic super cars.

Because cars with high torque push and take little effort initially but once the engine is revving and the torque is freely flowing and the tyres are putting all off it down.  Youve seen a long long way up the road  some old boy driving at oldboy speed  but torque doesn’t  like being held back once it’s pushing and scrubbing speed is harder as engine braking is almost non existentt.  However go to a  track like brands and big torque dominates and all the big turbo street fighters are well and truly beaten 

Sorry for those who don’t know me I suffer from insomnia and after a few days with out sleep my posts end up dragging on and on as I can’t focus on just one thing 

@Apophis-STR Yup, did the test in qualy session though I did skip outlap because I wanted consistent tyre heat, I'll do the test again when I have time without skipping and come back to you 

Also, the AI is indeed faster in career and myteam, but from my testing, feeling, and from everyone from my discord, no one has issues with career, only myteam

I had the same issue, on the F2 career Mode. AI were much faster than me on the straights until I started to use 3 - 13 wings setup. When I used this setup I started to match their straight line speed, but I started to loose at the corners... So I had to reduce AI level by about 5-7%. Then I became competitive.