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Troucetes

3 years ago

AI gaining Massive Speed on the straights

It’s like they have DRS the whole race

f1 22

Nuvolarix

Seasoned Ace

3 years ago

@Nuvolarix wrote:
@nkzsry9q2v3n wrote:
@ScarDuck14 And again I don't think this is it, I have no issue in career, and people from all skill level who made the same test as I have seen similar results, if it was torque, then career and gp cars would be affected, but this is NOT the case, only myteam has this error
Let me understand (and let the devs have more info mainly), do you mean only My Team has the bug of this thread?
I have just done some more tests in Bahrain using telemetry by comparing:
WR Playstation no aids (1.27.2) wings 25-21 - blue line
my current TT best (1:28.0) wings 26-23 - green line
AI 110 pole position in a Short Q (1:27.7) wings 8-18 preset 4 - red line
As you can see from the acceleration curve in the graph, that looks normal, only above 250 km/h the AI is starting to benefit from its wings setup (we are in GP mode).
Regards,
Nuv

bigger picture here

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kO-u5WbW4ekO2POrCubjB02KWswQWcVE/view?usp=sharing

Nuvolarix

Seasoned Ace

3 years ago

Returning to the setup matter which possibly affect the bug, here is my "two cents" contribution to mitigate it:

there are some tracks in which AI is using a very different setup from human players, here the situation how it could be if they run the "most similar" preset to the current Playstation WR (assuming more or less is the same in every platform):

the orange cells in the last column highlight the most problematic situations and suggest the closest preset (e.g. in Hugaroring & Singapore AI should better run preset 1, etc.); also the yellow cells show the closest preset but here there should be currently an advantage for human player in terms of speed on the straights.

Note: resistence values are just my own calcutation starting from a statement of David Greco in other topic, may not be perfect.

As last I don't know how much is 'easy' to change the AI preset for a track, that's clearly up to devs like all the matter all in all 🙂

Regards,
Nuv

nkzsry9q2v3n
3 years ago
Product: F1 22
Platform:PC
Summarize your bug My team car is slower than expected, even against teammate
Which area is the bug/glitch in? My Team
How often does the bug occur? Every time (100%)
Steps: How can we find the bug ourselves? Launch a myteam career with all 4 engine manufacturers and comparer the time you set against your team-mate
What happens when the bug occurs? The player is slower than his team-mate
What do you expect to see? A fix for the player myteam car to bring them back to the level of their team-mate
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Exactly @Nuvolarix , I and other people did a lot of tests, we found that people who complained about low straight line speed in my team had no issues in career and gp mode

For those who had issue in career or gp mode, it was always explained by an overly draggy setup, or TC which is particularly aggressive this year.
However for myteam, and from people who are experienced, we note a decrease in pace which scales with the performance of the starting engine, and from the test I've done, it seems the issue isn't straight line speed but acceleration, and maybe more specificaly from low speed corners,
In straight line I was at the same top speed as my team-mate (I took Hulkenberg to have a team-mate with good stats, but not overpowered), I took a 15-14 wing setup, which is about the same as the default in term of drag (since rear wing is less draggy than front), and he gained all his time on me in Sector 1 and 2.
For argument sake, i did a test in career mode against gasly in an alpha tauri, and I could equal him in s1 and s2, while not having a too dissimilar time difference in s3 from my myteam test
Hulk sector time in midfield my team Honda

My sector time in midfield my team Honda

Gasly sector Time in career alpha tauri:
My sector Time in career alpha tauri:

All taken in short qualy, and without any in lap skip, out lap skip, time pass, and being sure that every AI had done their final lap before ending mine.
nkzsry9q2v3n
3 years ago
Also I tested with Honda, renault and Ferrari Engines, every time I had similar pace for 1:29:500 (give or take 0.100 for consistency), but my team-mate was faster by:
-0.300 sec with renault
-0.700 sec with Honda
-1 second with Ferrari

This pace difference was consistent no matter how many times I resarted, and was confirmed by other people with which I tested.