AI gaining Massive Speed on the straights
It’s like they have DRS the whole race
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@DavidG53I'm not trying to cause trouble or be a pain. Just trying to find a level to enjoy it. @sirio42994 I normally play at 50%, but I'm not playing, I'm testing. I've done a full season at 25% and Saudi, Belgium and Brazil, your engineer tells you to pit early on lap 4. That's why I question the Sprint race result. And there;s 7 tracks he says lap 5. So I'm definitely going to be looking at the wear at all distances when I get on the Xbox. Just because it's working on 1 machine doesn't mean it is the same on a different machine. If that's how EA wants the game to work, I'm not arguing. But In the Spanish GP, no-one wanted to touch the hard and done 3 stops instead. The only person that did was K.Mag and he couldn't match his lap 3 time on mediums even though it was lap 31 when he pitted. Max pitted on 46 for his 3rd stop to mediums and was lapping 2/3 seconds a lap faster than K.Mag then.
Forgot to add picture. And should have said couldn't beat his lap 3 time.
@DRudd13 Id never trust the engineer if i were you.. The expected tyre wear is almost always higher than your real tyre wear and regarding spain thats really just the gap in grip between C1 and the others.. Only became more clear after Spain and at that point the game was very far.. Its changeable and the AI copes well with it but i dont know if there wont be that 1% of times the AI wont cope well with it and Codemasters wont change things then
- @Meza994 That's why I'll be testing the same races at all lengths and actually look at my tyre wear before I pit. 1 last thing about the AI I've done all tests at 75 on Grand Prix, Max done a 1.21.976 on hards in the last lap. The actual fastest lap was a 1.24.108 on lap 55, 11 laps before the end of the race, on softs
- @DRudd13 Its good to check your tyre wear but regarding the 1.21.9 again, he was on lowest fuel, his tires have more grip than they have IRL and possibly the track wears them less (not sure about spain, could be correct wear though), the AI goes half a second quicker on the last lap, it was crazy hot IRL AND spain has more a bit grip ingame than it has in real life.. All this adds up
- @Meza994 I've just worked out the average lap times on Max's Spain game time. Took out the 1st lap and his in and out laps off.
Whole race average 1.22.689
7 laps on the soft 1.23.008 1 bad lap overtaking me 1.24.009
7 laps on the hard 1.22.651 1 bad lap 1.23.5 can't remember why. Possible yellows. That is nowhere near replicating real life tyre wear. - @DRudd13 Its likely a little bit too low tyre wear but you also cant compare 25% with 100%.. It will never work properly no matter what formual you try you cant get 25% races to work out the same they do over 100%.. The grip loss with wear however might be a little bit bigger too in addition to the bit higher wear in general but you also have to take into account that this year it was burning hot in spain which causes slower laps and more wear and it was very gusty which doesnt help laptimes at all.
- @Meza994 I know they aren't great comparisons, but the game has still got to work properly for those that do only 25% races. Finding it hard to believe Max can do that on level 75 while in the real race the fastest lap was an 1.24.108 on Soft with a full battery by Perez going for it 11 laps from the end, Max's best was an 1.25.456 on lap 46 mediums. 20 laps from the end. es it was hot but only been testing in clear conditions.
- @DRudd13 Consider that they are never pushing 100% IRL but in the game as Codemasters dont code the game so that it requires a player to take care of his tyres, players and AI push all out in the game as it would be too frustrating to nurse your tyres the whole race to not overheat them nor wear them out too much.. So times are always quicker anyway, yes 75AI may be a bit fast but the game has bigger problems currently haha
@Meza994It all depends on what you meant by "push".
For example, when drivers are "saving their tires", it doesn't really meant they're gonna just cruise around. Instead, in most cases they could still maintain quite a competitive pace, it was just that they aren't as "liberate" on how they use the tires compare to when they "push".
How you maintain the weight shift, how you maintain the tire flex when changing direction, how you maintain your tires x pace when you're chasing someone, dealing with dirty air...Tire managing is truly an art form, and it certainly wasn't just about throttle controlling.- @Apophis-STR Okay to clear this up, i was looking the whole time for the word "conserving" in my head just couldnt find it lol
Its a known fact that drivers dont push or go all out in the race like they did in the V10 era, except for very few occasions simply because the tyres would overheat within 2 laps and the wear would be much worse.. Sometimes they get fairly close but for example Baku the first laps of the race 7 seconds slower than Pole (fuel = 3-3.5s, tyre = ~0.5s, lower ERS ~1s = 5-5.5s by car performance) or Spain which started with 9s slower than Pole and got a bit lower almost to 8.5s before the tyre wear kicked in and thats just the drivers conserving their tyres, not going for the maximum apex speed etc, just giving it 98% instead of 100% because its the fastest around a whole race distance but even those 2% less can make a difference of up to 2 seconds per lap and especially tracks like Spain need lots of conserving otherwise they would have done a 5 stop race with also using a few hards lol
And yes of course conserving tyres is about a lot of stuff :D Tiarniaduk.:. Yes whatever. The Australian fellow that posts on YouTube just raced imola in his second my team season. Was raining. Five or 6 laps from end. Rain cleared up drs was enabled. He flew into pits from 3rd and changed to softs. Came out in 16th I think: ai stayed out on old inters. Within a lap track was dry. I’ve been in this same situation hundreds off times in last years game. And I was off the same opinion as the duk guy. Any second he’s just gunna monster the ai. Any second now.. hmm ok maybe next lap. Nope he didn’t even catch 15th. Why? Despite ai being on old inters on a track that had been properly dry for minimum off 3 laps/. We’re all going faster: Duk guy was only lapping half a second faster on new softs than 15th place driver. And remember Duk was in third place when he pitted. So he had race pace. And like me he was completely lost., he genuinely came across completely dejected
And also Jarnos latest race at Monza: started to voice his frustrations at the ai speed towards the end off the race. When normally her just laugh about it. He said he swears ai have unlimited ers at end off race
- @ScarDuck14 and jarno was using 0-0 wings lol
@Nylink Yes I heard him: growl he was using negative wings. Watched so many off his vids. First time I’ve heard him question ai performance. And not just once but a few times. Monza is obviously the track that’s going to exaggerate any overpowered acceleration and speed.
I did a Miami test yesterday, as I've been told it's 1 of the hardest against AI. Still just 25% race and 75. Here's the result. I'll post times shortly. Damn @ScarDuck14 that is an unbelievable event of circumstances for the Aussie. I bet he's still trying to work it out now!! About Jarno complaining, he's right to complain, but I think he's complaining about the wrong thing. I watched a couple more replays from the AI cars. And what most do is use a lot for the first 2 laps. Then not so much until there in and out laps. Then very little to none until the final sector of the penultimate lap. Then they hammer it. So the question I'm asking is how are they so fast while not using the ERS. Looking at these Miami results and I thought Alonso would be a good watch. And an Interesting 1 as he had decided to do the opposite strategy. So if you use @Meza994 logic about why max was faster on his hard compared to his softs in The Spain test earlier. He should be at least a few seconds a lap quicker. He wasn't.
Alonso just kept around the same pace. And his final lap wasn't as fast, not cos he had no ERS, but the fact he was battling Russell all lap.
Oh, and yes like most I lost places going down the long straight, which was the same at Baku
I hadn’t mentioned cause my posts are to long as it is. But I do look at all drivers times in race director. And when I see ai drivers who haven’t dramatically sped up. It is always because they are competing with other ai into corners obviously compromising their speed.
I believe the ai speed up is by to design to make last few races more exciting. Not necessarily rubber banding in the true sense. And not scripted to purposely slow your progress. But just to give you more off a challenge. But if it’s the case it shouldn’t happen as often or with such obvious increase off pace and bonkers aggressive at every corner.
What I was reading was Max In Spain went on average 0.4 faster going from soft to hard at least 2 compounds more., while here at Miami with Alonso I was expecting him to go a lot faster going from Medium to soft at least 1 compound better, something like 1.6/ 2 seconds better on average. Yet his average went as follows
medium average 1.33.608
soft average 1.33.236 only 0.372 faster around the same as max did at Spain. And the difference between his 2 fastest times on the different compounds was only 0.8 faster.
Here at Miami, Max's average was soft to medium
soft 1.33.320
medium 1.33.003 So again at least 1 compound more but still went faster 0.3 Yes Alonso had a battle last lap but had a clear track after his pit stop.
I'm sure I heard there should be a 1-second gap between each compound (0.250 25% race) but can't find any information about it, so If anyone can provide a link to the difference in time between the C1,C2,C3,C4 & C5 that would be great.
How not to solve the problem is to remove the AI lap times from race director, something we have had for years. I bet they would never stop you looking at your opponents after match statistics on FIFA, of course not. Why remove the lap times now? My fault? because i like to number crunch.
Roll on F1 manager
- @DRudd13 As analysis for your clip as i expected Alonso does the fast lap in free air and then is slowed by Russel, as the AI dont overtake that easily Alonso gets slowed down especially on the last lap battling half the lap with Russel.
You overestimate the difference it makes with fresh tyres, the Softs are only about 6 tenths faster than the Medium in Miami..
Its just a rumour with 1s gap between compounds, IRL its actually more 0.4-0.5s between each tyre but C1 1s slower than C2 but these gaps depend on the track!! in the game each compound is 2% grip apart of the next which makes an average gap of 0.5-0.7s
Regarding the race director idk why they changed it, stupid change really. @Meza994But surely Alonso shouldn't be having problems passing Russell the first time he gets DRS uses his ERS has fresher, softer tyres and a slipstream. It's meant to be easier to overtake this year, but in game with everything going in your favour it's still a struggle for the AI, never mind the player.
Might have to dig the PlayStation 2 out and see if this still works, lol.
I had more chances to overtake the AI at Bahrain, but I couldn't do it either, see here https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion/3-race-AI-test-75-amp-65-picture-data/m-p/11644756/highlight/true#M8021 for 4 and a half laps I had everything to my advantage over Alonso. But lap after lap, I wasn't getting close to overtaking on level 75. But I'd done all the overtaking Saniz had to do at Saudi on the weekly challenge on level 90. So it's not as if I don't know how to do it.
@Meza994 wrote:
@DRudd13As analysis for your clip as i expected Alonso does the fast lap in free air and then is slowed by Russel, as the AI dont overtake that easily Alonso gets slowed down especially on the last lap battling half the lap with Russel.
You overestimate the difference it makes with fresh tyres, the Softs are only about 6 tenths faster than the Medium in Miami..
Its just a rumour with 1s gap between compounds, IRL its actually more 0.4-0.5s between each tyre but C1 1s slower than C2 but these gaps depend on the track!! in the game each compound is 2% grip apart of the next which makes an average gap of 0.5-0.7s
Regarding the race director idk why they changed it, stupid change really.The AI times are there. Click on your own lap times and scroll through others with L1/R1
I really can't take the credit for it.
https://answers.ea.com/t5/Bug-Reports/Race-director/m-p/11667558/highlight/true#M4114
- @ScarDuck14 That happened to me as well (can't remember the track). I didn't understand why though. Casually went to the replay and looked to the AI steering wheel and noticed that in the dashboard their tires had 77ºC in all 4 inters in a dry track. If temps do actually apply to the AI, that inters would be overheating and they would lost much more than 0.5s per lap.
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