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Nuvolarix
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
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David Greco's Handling, Driving and Setup Q&A (?)

Hi, I wonder if we may have a topic like this about the new F1 22 game like we had for F1 2020 here, it would be very interesting and appreciated 🙂 Ciao, Nuv
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  • BarryBL's avatar
    BarryBL
    3 years ago

    I'll ask him and see if we can find a decent time where we are free for some Q&A action. 

    We'll it'll be David, not me. Anyone can drive in the midfield every Friday. I'll look to move a lot of the stuff we are used to seeing into EA Answers as we escalate transition. 

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mariohomoh
Hero (Retired)
3 years ago
@Meza994 Sorry, but I don't think that's clear?

Under "NORMAL" circumstances, lower pressures will give you lower average temps. Low pressures have the potential to give you a spike in temps, but that is not because of the pressures per se, it's from the higher workload – and anyway that's somewhat moot, we never really care about brief spikes.

Tyres generate grip from the flexing and twisting of the rubber. Grip is basically work. Lower pressures enable more flexing (if you push), thus more work and thus WILL lead to higher wear and CAN lead to high temps during a highly straining section, like a long high speed corner, but the tyres will cool down quickly if there follows a long straight – quicker than they would with higher pressures.

The average temperature can still be lower than if you had high pressures, depending on the car, the track and on how much you're pushing.

The game will give you higher average temps and lower wear if you run with high pressures, and lower average temps and higher wear if you run with low pressures.

It's no "philosophy", it's physics.
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Meza994
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@mariohomoh ...Normal circumstances are race conditions which in turn have a high workload and leads to higher temperatures which all engineers agree on, high workloads like when you go all out in qualifying your tires are completely overheated by sector 3 even with a long straight before that like Sochi had, the cornering speeds and therefore loads the tyres had are not comparable to any other racing series so its a completely different balance for heating due to pressures than compared to cars which have great acceleration but have way lower cornering speeds/loads.

Yes they cool out faster on straights than with high pressures but not like anything you imply. If it were for wet conditions it would be different, those are different conditions as the workload is lower than NORMAL race conditions, more time on the straights and less load in the corners which makes higher pressures give more heat.

The game simply gives you higher temps with higher pressure, not average nothing lol no matter if on straights or in corners the DATA says higher pressure - higher temperatures! This was different though in F1 2021.. in that game straights made lower pressures give you higher temps and corner lower temps and for high pressures the other way around.
  • mariohomoh's avatar
    mariohomoh
    Hero (Retired)
    3 years ago
    @Meza994 wrote:
    @mariohomoh...Normal circumstances are race conditions which in turn have a high workload and leads to higher temperatures which all engineers agree on, high workloads like when you go all out in qualifying your tires are completely overheated by sector 3 even with a long straight before that like Sochi had, the cornering speeds and therefore loads the tyres had are not comparable to any other racing series so its a completely different balance for heating due to pressures than compared to cars which have great acceleration but have way lower cornering speeds/loads.

    Yes they cool out faster on straights than with high pressures but not like anything you imply. If it were for wet conditions it would be different, those are different conditions as the workload is lower than NORMAL race conditions, more time on the straights and less load in the corners which makes higher pressures give more heat.

    The game simply gives you higher temps with higher pressure, not average nothing lol no matter if on straights or in corners the DATA says higher pressure - higher temperatures! This was different though in F1 2021.. in that game straights made lower pressures give you higher temps and corner lower temps and for high pressures the other way around.

    I guess you didn't watch the french GP then or the team radios 🙃

    I have a truckload of telemetry files via the PXG and Itko Ren apps, all the way from F1 2019. Give me your email and I'll shoot you a cloud link, if you want.

    Try spotting lower pressures giving higher average temps throughout a lap.

  • Meza994's avatar
    Meza994
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago
    @mariohomoh Yup searing heat melting the tires is obviously a normal circumstance... Which obviously favours putting less load on the tyres..

    What, game data?😂 Or somehow got the actual telemetry of real life F1 thats highly confidential?
  • mariohomoh's avatar
    mariohomoh
    Hero (Retired)
    3 years ago
    @Meza994 I'm not going to step down for a pointless word jostling.

    For anyone still interested:

    The higher the work rate of a tyre, the higher the wear. Overheating tyres i.e. hotter than their working window will also wear down faster.

    Lower pressures enable more tyre flex and thus more work. Higher cornering loads, better cornering performance. Higher wear.

    Higher pressures will decrease the work rate and thus tyre wear. Your average temperatures will be higher, but it doesn't really matter as long as you're inside the working window.

    Even though low pressures will inevitably have a lower baseline temperature (that's just how physics work and motorsports and simracing both are no ignorant of that), work still induces heat, so it is expected to see a hot spike. Anyway, the wear rate will still be higher.

    One issue with the previous "meta" of high pressures all around would be having the tyres always on the top of their temperature window. Once you overshoot it by pushing, the it's a slippery slope of increasing wear as you're outside their working range.

    You still need to have a reasonable setup. It's not only pressures determining how much work your tyres are doing. It all matters, from stiffness to aero loads.

    Same for the driving. Being smooth is key to keep all four tyres from exceeding their work capabilities.
  • Meza994's avatar
    Meza994
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago
    @mariohomoh You didnt answer my question on what telemetry so im not gonna give that discussion any credit..

    To correct all what you said for what it is like in the game

    Lower pressure causes lower temps while cornering and on the straight

    Lower pressure causes more wear at all times.

    higher pressure causes higher temps while cornering and on the straight and gives more stability/pseudotraction through less rolling resistance.

    Higher temperatures - unless there is a hidden mechanic not in the files - do not increase the wear of the tyre, not at all.

    The rest about smooth driving applies to the game absolutely correct and yes the rest of the setup also plays a role in how much the tyres work.

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