I'll ask him and see if we can find a decent time where we are free for some Q&A action.
We'll it'll be David, not me. Anyone can drive in the midfield every Friday. I'll look to move a lot of the stuff we are used to seeing into EA Answers as we escalate transition.
@DavidG53 And there’s me praising your attention to detail😜.
@ScarDuck14 Dont be so harsh haha we can be happy we got him and not people that wouldnt even have made half of it work😂
@DavidG53It all could be very easy, if it wasnt complicated haha dont worry its all on the right direction and perfection doesnt exist, so minor blunders like these are nothing awful😄
@Meza994 Sure you know by now I’m just playing.. 👍
I have to say that the effect of high temperatures on the grip level of the tyres is now too high in my opion. While I agree, that the effect was too small before the patch (tyres with 106°C just lost a little bit grip), now I can't turn in without losing the rears when the tyres are at 100+. Also, no one will ever use tyre pressures higher than middle level, e-sports already are back at minimum pressure..
@DavidG53 I've always wondered about this when checking at the game files but in the tyre compounds files in the surface temperature grip it shows like this
<SplineElement x="388.150000" y="1.000000" />
<SplineElement x="393.150000" y="0.950000" />
I'm pretty sure that those are in kelvins so in celcius it's 115,5 celcius and 393.15K is 120.15C. What I wonder is that there's 5% grip decrease when the surface temperature is at 120 degrees BUT is there full 100% grip when it's in between 115 and 120? So does 116-119C still have 100% grip or does it gradually go down after hitting 115.15C?
EA Staff (Retired)All that confuses me… If it feels good it’s good. If it don’t the answer is generally in settings and setup menus. I exist for gameplay and leave the experts to do the science.
last year I put 900 hours in on track and @Meza994 put twice as many as that playing around in the files😜
@ScarDuck14 wrote:last year I put 900 hours in on track and @Meza994 put twice as many as that playing around in the files😜
Fortunately I’m on PS or I would be +1 😜
@Nuvolarix Same reason I’m not in the files tbh. I do love to fiddle 😀 However I would have no clue what I’m doing… typical driver…. Not interested in how it goes as longs it goes fast
@DavidG53 wrote:
@Oesi_F1it just needs a little bit of tyre management. In F1 they try to go as minimum tyre pressure as Pirelli allows, and who knows, even try tricks to get them even lower somehow.
if esports are down to minimum or around that, that's good. that's the idea.
So is it that with the minimum pressures you get more grip but also more tyre wear right?
EA Staff (Retired)@DavidG53Would only be great if the AI were trained properly too for the tracks forcing more tyre management from players, which is not the case..
PS. offtopic but important, we need the option back to use standard ERS mode in qualifying, not for dry but in wet qualifying real life F1 teams dont use maximum ERS deployment! A) to be able to do run after run which is impossible currently as ERS is drained to ~30% after 1 lap and B) for better traction. You can see that they dont give it all power as they are reaching lower topspeeds in qualifying compared to clean laps without toe or DRS in the race this season..
Ideally the AI would also only use standard ERS when its a certain wetness and do multiple laps for immersion but i know AI is not your workplace
@ActuallyImJulie wrote:
@taattor
<TemperatureGripCarcas numVertices="11">
<SplineElement x="346.900000" y="0.910000" />
<SplineElement x="350.650000" y="0.940000" />
<SplineElement x="354.400000" y="0.970000" />
<SplineElement x="358.150000" y="1.000000" />
<SplineElement x="361.900000" y="1.000000" />
<SplineElement x="365.650000" y="1.000000" />
<SplineElement x="369.400000" y="1.000000" />
<SplineElement x="373.150000" y="1.000000" />
<SplineElement x="376.900000" y="0.970000" />
<SplineElement x="380.650000" y="0.940000" />
<SplineElement x="384.400000" y="0.910000" />
</TemperatureGripCarcas>
Those are core temps from the c3, and it's a bit different from compound to compound. 373.15 is 100 Celsius, 384.4 is 111.25 Celsius.
<TemperatureGrip numVertices="21">
<SplineElement x="323.150000" y="0.900000" />
<SplineElement x="328.150000" y="0.918000" />
<SplineElement x="333.150000" y="0.936000" />
<SplineElement x="338.150000" y="0.954000" />
<SplineElement x="343.150000" y="0.972000" />
<SplineElement x="348.150000" y="0.990000" />
<SplineElement x="353.150000" y="0.992500" />
<SplineElement x="358.150000" y="0.995000" />
<SplineElement x="363.150000" y="0.997500" />
<SplineElement x="368.150000" y="1.000000" />
<SplineElement x="373.150000" y="1.000000" />
<SplineElement x="378.150000" y="1.000000" />
<SplineElement x="383.150000" y="1.000000" />
<SplineElement x="388.150000" y="1.000000" />
<SplineElement x="393.150000" y="0.990000" />
<SplineElement x="398.150000" y="0.980000" />
<SplineElement x="403.150000" y="0.944000" />
<SplineElement x="408.150000" y="0.908000" />
<SplineElement x="413.150000" y="0.872000" />
<SplineElement x="418.150000" y="0.836000" />
<SplineElement x="423.150000" y="0.800000" />
</TemperatureGrip>
And surface temps as well.
Incidentally, Alfa Romeo very kindly display thier core temps on their steering wheel, which is very clearly visible in night races. If you have a look at Saudi, you'll actually see the C2 stabilize around 110 Celsius, and C3 stabilize around 115, which suggests the in-game temperature ranges are a bit off. Not a huge deal, as tire management isn't that big of a focus, but I thought it was interesting nonetheless.
Very interesting, thanks for sharing 😊
As you say each compound is different, would you be so kind to share data also for the others?
@Nuvolarixits even more interesting, it shows the surface temperature in blue, green, yellow and red too and only turns red with wheelspin but even more interesting, Bottas started his Bahrain Q3 lap with tyre temperatures of 70° (rear temps* front temps around 80°).. Yes he started the lap with temps like out of his box, no warming at all
ATTENTION Mr @DavidG53 before when i first went on track post patch it was a quick session. New my team career using complete default just to see what had changed and although everything with torque and gear ratios felt good. It wasn’t a proper test.
Now I have started another new my team career with everything set as I like it. And I promise I’m not fanboy trying to gain your favour. But what you have given me is by far the best all round model for how I play the game.. pad and auto gears. Can’t ever remember being able to hold a low gear through a corner with so much ease.
I think I’m probably the only person that hadt to increase ai🤣 Nothing to shout about still sub 85.
Started my team as a mid team. As ever I’ve Focused on chassis and aero. And opted for Renault power it may have the lowest performance. But it gives more usable power when accelerating out off slow corners Even as a mid team. My team car is still a top heavy fat drag dog and no downforce. But now longer ratios gives more top speed which means 195- 200mph on Bahrain main straight without drs or ers. And only being dominated on the straights by Mercedes, Ferrari and Red bull. Which is as it should be
However gears 6 and 7 do need to be shorter. Mainly because it’s destroying my gearbox 15 laps during practice taking it relatively easy and 5% wear. For time being it’s not to bad as I can manually shift up 6 and 7 although not being used to manually shifting it means I either forgot or short shift. 🙄
I’d say the only other minor problem is which comes with using longer gears when using automatic. And that’a it doesn’t change down as quick😀 under braking but i understand it’s a trade off.
Thankyou David. I’m just sorry it’s hard for people to really appreciate what a great job you have done because off issues beyond your control.
@Nuvolarix Sure thing. They'll just be in celsius this time, pasting straight from the game files is taking up a lot of unnecessary space on the page. (◑_◑)
C1
100 = 1.0
103.75 = 0.98
107.5 = 0.96
111.25 = 0.94
C2
100 = 1.0
103.75 = 0.975
107.5 = 0.95
111.25 = 0.925
C3
100 = 1.0
103.75 = 0.97
107.5 = 0.94
111.25 = 0.91
C4
100 = 1.0
103.75 = 0.965
107.5 = 0.93
111.25 = 0.895
C5
100 = 1.0
103.75 = 0.96
107.5 = 0.92
111.25 = 0.88
In the game files the C4 is listed as supersofts, but they should've actually been "discontinued" after 2018, instead the hypersofts are not used in the game. This doesn't really matter, as the ultrasoft just acts as the hypers, and supers as ultras, but it was a bit confusing.
Overall, you really don't want exceed 100 Celsius on any compound, as there's a massive amount of grip loss even on the hardest compound. If you're wondering about minimum temps, just keep them at 85 and above, all compounds have maximum grip from 85 to 100.
@taattor It's actually pretty interesting how they wear differently. I'm gonna split them up, because there's a lot of data here.
C1
<WearRate value="0.02961" />
Obviously the rate at which the tire wears, lower is better.
<WearGrip numVertices="17">
<SplineElement x="0.0000" y="1.0000" />
<SplineElement x="0.0600" y="0.9975" />
<SplineElement x="0.1300" y="0.9963" />
<SplineElement x="0.1900" y="0.9954" />
<SplineElement x="0.2500" y="0.9944" />
<SplineElement x="0.3100" y="0.9935" />
<SplineElement x="0.3800" y="0.9925" />
<SplineElement x="0.4400" y="0.9916" />
<SplineElement x="0.5000" y="0.9906" />
<SplineElement x="0.5600" y="0.9897" />
<SplineElement x="0.6300" y="0.9862" />
<SplineElement x="0.6900" y="0.9807" />
<SplineElement x="0.7500" y="0.9712" />
<SplineElement x="0.8100" y="0.9577" />
<SplineElement x="0.8800" y="0.9402" />
<SplineElement x="0.9400" y="0.9187" />
<SplineElement x="1.0000" y="0.8772" />
</WearGrip>
You can see the C1 compound wears very linearly right until the 56% mark, then it starts hitting the cliff. This tire isn't used that often, but if you're at somewhere like Barcelona, this would be the hard compound. You'd definitely want to switch around 65% at the latest.
