David Greco's Handling, Driving and Setup Q&A (?)

@ActuallyImJulie I was here just screenshooting and making quick notes on the phone to log it properly later on my files when I came across the graphs. You're wonderful! 

While you're at it, would you mind sharing the power vs engine speed curves again after the 1.6 update? Would love to check the optimum shifting points again. Haven't put that many hours in the game since the patch 🙃

@mariohomoh Highest power output at 11.5k revs and almost as high (0.15% less) at 12k, 12.5k already 3.3% less ICE power output than 12k if thats what you want but im sure @ActuallyImJulie will happily give you the whole rundown anyway

@mariohomoh Lucky for you I already had it in my spreadsheet. On the left is RPM, in the middle is the actual value in the files (Watts), and on the right is HP for readability.

And a graph for good measure.

As @DavidG53 has pointed out, the power drops off too quickly after the peak window, so shifting quite early is important. Do not trust the rev lights anymore, they are basically useless.
Edit: After looking into it a bit more, 11700 seems to be a good shifting point, assuming RPM drops by a maximum of 1200. I don't drive with the RPM overlay, so I can't tell you what to look for in terms of rev lights, but if I had to guess, it's probably the first or second blue light on a Ferrari.

@Meza994 I just wanted to point out, the RPM values in the files don't line up with what they look like they should. You can tell by the LimiterRotationRate, which you would expect to be 1300, but is instead 1361.4. Reduce the numbers in the files by roughly 4.5% to get the real RPM value.

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@ActuallyImJulie wrote:
@ScarDuck14Well, I definitely don't play "as intended" when I'm modding the game, but I do play. About 73 hours so far this year, and a collective 1000~ since I first started in 2019.

I can't really help myself, I find something in the game that I'm unhappy with, and when the files are right there to play around with, how could I not? I just want the game to be the best it can be.

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Do you have mods out then like on race dept? Or do you just modify the game for yourself? I'm using the ai acceleration mods which seem to work well. Had a performance mod which was great till the update nerfed it... Now McLaren are OP... Lando has stormed my last two races! 

Hi,

few days ago there was a question about how track and air temps are affecting the tyres now. I didn't see the answer yet, so I'm just going to try asking the question again.

So for example how much increase in core temperature can we expect per degree air temp or track temp, in case it's that easy determinable

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@ActuallyImJulie wrote:
@KamackerisI've considered it, and my personal performance mod is very close to final stages, I've basically just begun testing for real.

I'd like to at least wait until after Monza, so I can establish the full range of top speed and downforce.

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I'd be interested to see your work. The performance mod I was on about has just been updated this morning.. Will have to wait till after my hols to check it out 

@DavidG53 is this now the final alteration to the Physics for this year?

Thanks

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@DavidG53 wrote:
@Just_Dave_Mtook advice from Meza and Mario and others lol and made slight adjustment to tyre surface temps being a little too aggressive now, and tyre wear being affected too much by pressures. I'd love to improve tyre pressure grip, tyre slip drop off with load, low wings efficiency, refine engine torque further, change the aero map.... But then we would never have a final handling :D. I am always trying to improve.
Other than that slight temp/wear tweaks and hopefully auto gear tune, yes is final.

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Have a word with other departments there are some members in the community which great knowledge and marios huge brain who can and want to help freely.  They shouldn’t  be so guarded.  And the beauty off the members is they are not pro drivers who would push game to be out off reach off us mere mortals. Average gamers make better games 

And I just want good gameplay and the end off all game and ai cheats and poorly implemented scripts.  So wouldn’t ask my opinion but I put in hours

@taattor I'm on console so can't check the files, but if the new throttle response time was achieved by tweaking the torque values then yes, it's different already!
Unless all they did was adding a delay to the powertrain. These power curves are often made with the torque measured at the crankshaft, with the engine sitting on a bench or whatever. It takes a while for all that power to reach the wheels and some of it is lost along the way - which is why BHP and HP values are never the same by the way, but that's irrelevant here. If it's only the response time, and the torque values stay the same, then the charts are accurate. Let's wait for @ActuallyImJulie kindness to blossom again 🤣

@chasey-k you're most definitely right, mate. We upshift so that the upper gear engages right there in the power band, at the crest or near the crest. The upshifting moment may coincide with a drop on the curve but just incidentally; what really matters is keeping the engine always revving in or around the crest for maximum performance, you're most definitely correct in that.

That's why I prefaced by saying I was too lazy to take the gear ratios into account and would only "guess" the upshifting point haha

If the ratios are close enough that upper gear is engaging at the cusp already, then we should definitely upshift a bit earlier to avoid the sharp power drop-off.

On a side note, knowing the power band is hugely beneficial for timing downshifts too. Both for engine braking and for knowing when to hold a gear for longer nearing a braking zone.

@ScarDuck14 if anything, I bring in freely an infinite supply of requeijão and pão de queijo 🥰