Driver rating - pace
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@gizt7 The car is the defining factor buddy.. Bottas has a car a second a lap faster than Vettel, Albon and Stroll.
I will agree that its best to have players edit them themselfes as their are too many myths about how much the driver makes the pace and too many that believe these myths, in the end a great driver makes less than 0.5% laptime difference to a good driver. In other terms, no Hamilton, Russel, Verstappen or Leclerc would have scored points in the 2019 Williams on merit (Kubica was pure luck).
Ricciardo? Is over a tenth slower each lap in race pace than Norris by my rating which is fairly fitting but for Ricciardo i can see the rating going down by 1 or 2 for both quali as well as race pace.
Stroll has shown this and last season that hes regularly able to go toe to toe with Vettel on race pace and his race results would be balanced with worse racecraft and awareness.
Might have helped if i wrote the individual consistency values as well next to them because like this Vettel is 0.36s slower in quali than Leclerc but also has worse consistency, so when Codemasters ever implement consistency this would make Vettel be slower a few times more often.
Regarding Albon i dont know what you are on about, Williams is a horrendous car this season and he is mostly having the same gaps to Latifi as Russel had last year and scored points. 90/90 or in other words equal to Gasly is more then justified! And giving Latifi pace below 70 doesnt fit to his F2 career (5th, 9th and 2nd)..
But yes people will never agree on ratings, be it misbelieve in driver importance, liking a driver more than others or the opposite so an editor would be best but at the same time still be depending on the car performances..
Lemme just give you a good example for misfitting car performance/driver rating balance: Williams made to only be 1.5s slower than best. IRL gap to pole ~2.4s requires Albon to have 76 pace rating and Latifi at 60. Now if Albon would go back to Red Bull ingame that would have him 0.9s slower ingame. But even in 2020 when Red Bull had a really tough car to master (even Verstappen said so and every driver from 2019-2021 - same base car - next to Verstappen struggled) Albon only had an average gap to Verstappen of 0.4-0.5s (rain excluded). This alone is a difference of 10-13 pace points in the game and by now Albon is more experienced and especially the current Red Bull seems much easier to master so a gap of around 0.3s (just like in my rating) is even a low expectation considering Perez' jump from last season.
Point is being able to edit the stats is needed for fine tuning - but with wrong balancing in the first place its getting ridiculous as well! Imagine being forced to give Bottas 99 pace ratings because the Alfa Romeo is not getting close to Merc otherwise or having to give Bottas 80 pace because Alfa is too fast? Its a tough balancing act that needs the right baseline first and then editable driver stats can have their full effect to make everybody mostly happy :P
I will agree that its best to have players edit them themselfes as their are too many myths about how much the driver makes the pace and too many that believe these myths, in the end a great driver makes less than 0.5% laptime difference to a good driver. In other terms, no Hamilton, Russel, Verstappen or Leclerc would have scored points in the 2019 Williams on merit (Kubica was pure luck).
Ricciardo? Is over a tenth slower each lap in race pace than Norris by my rating which is fairly fitting but for Ricciardo i can see the rating going down by 1 or 2 for both quali as well as race pace.
Stroll has shown this and last season that hes regularly able to go toe to toe with Vettel on race pace and his race results would be balanced with worse racecraft and awareness.
Might have helped if i wrote the individual consistency values as well next to them because like this Vettel is 0.36s slower in quali than Leclerc but also has worse consistency, so when Codemasters ever implement consistency this would make Vettel be slower a few times more often.
Regarding Albon i dont know what you are on about, Williams is a horrendous car this season and he is mostly having the same gaps to Latifi as Russel had last year and scored points. 90/90 or in other words equal to Gasly is more then justified! And giving Latifi pace below 70 doesnt fit to his F2 career (5th, 9th and 2nd)..
But yes people will never agree on ratings, be it misbelieve in driver importance, liking a driver more than others or the opposite so an editor would be best but at the same time still be depending on the car performances..
Lemme just give you a good example for misfitting car performance/driver rating balance: Williams made to only be 1.5s slower than best. IRL gap to pole ~2.4s requires Albon to have 76 pace rating and Latifi at 60. Now if Albon would go back to Red Bull ingame that would have him 0.9s slower ingame. But even in 2020 when Red Bull had a really tough car to master (even Verstappen said so and every driver from 2019-2021 - same base car - next to Verstappen struggled) Albon only had an average gap to Verstappen of 0.4-0.5s (rain excluded). This alone is a difference of 10-13 pace points in the game and by now Albon is more experienced and especially the current Red Bull seems much easier to master so a gap of around 0.3s (just like in my rating) is even a low expectation considering Perez' jump from last season.
Point is being able to edit the stats is needed for fine tuning - but with wrong balancing in the first place its getting ridiculous as well! Imagine being forced to give Bottas 99 pace ratings because the Alfa Romeo is not getting close to Merc otherwise or having to give Bottas 80 pace because Alfa is too fast? Its a tough balancing act that needs the right baseline first and then editable driver stats can have their full effect to make everybody mostly happy :P
@Meza994 Agree, difficult balancing and just looking time difference doesn't work in my books. You can never say this car is x.x seconds slower, when you do not have same drivers driving them. In addition, some cars fit better for some driver than the other. Like Perez, I don't think he suddenly got so much closer to Verstappen's pace, but is just more comfortable in this year's car at the moment.
I would simplify the stat model and not use values 1-100. I would put drivers in tiers, maybe 4 or 5 as in the end, they are really close to each. Saying, if some one is 89 or 90 is a bit pointless in the world with millions of moving parts.
I would simplify the stat model and not use values 1-100. I would put drivers in tiers, maybe 4 or 5 as in the end, they are really close to each. Saying, if some one is 89 or 90 is a bit pointless in the world with millions of moving parts.
