@Nuvolarix want to show that not cheated just do the same times on ps or xbox trick revealed later
@Nellix82 yes, maybe you are right but I guess is not that easy, meaning it’s not the case of a mediocre driver using +20% grip, so very easy to catch. It would be a very strong driver, perhaps eSports level anyway, using +0,0x grip.
So in PS or Xbox would be able to run for example a Time Trial quite close to his best, and if it’s 2-3 tenths slower how can you be 100% sure about cheating or not? Besides platforms are not exactly identical about handling etc.
Having saying that, I’m confident EA/Codemasters will find a way and fix it for the next game release 😉
Just been watching Jarnos latest myteam and co-op videos. It’s a sad day for multiplayer when a elite e-sport driver prefers to race against the AI
On Twitter George Morgan has confirmed Ronhaar's PC has been checked for cheats and found to be CLEAN!
It has been further confirmed that the Cheat info CAN'T BE WIPED once used, something about ya cant delete the IP adress.
@ScarDuck14 wrote:
@BadMayh3mCheat software doesn’t have to be on the PC. You can use other hardware that the cheat software on and put it through the PC completely undetected.
There's more than one cheat software out there 😉
Fair play, if it has been independently verified good. However, the sceptism will remain when some things just do not add up
@BadMayh3m wrote:
@Blackbird90Dont know much about Senna but nobody said Jarno was cheating when he did the same things when he was coming up
It's not about what happened when 'coming up' but rather what's happening when at the top. It's consistently doing what other eSports drivers don't believe is possible that is the reason for the questions being raised.
@BadMayh3mI'm allowed to be sceptical just for the reason @Ultrasonic_77 pointed out. Also, there are other cheat systems that can circumvent computer checks (e.g. be deleted without showing a trace of exposure).
Or is sceptism tantamount to calling someone cheating?
Honestly, some of you burn just so much energy over a sport that is still in its infancy (F1 eSports), lacking proper structure and organization, and with just a few properly acting the part with professionalism – flip the latter down and it's written "a good number of kids acting like kids".
There's no harm being skeptical until the organizers, be it the promoters or the actual dev, step up, take the mic and inject some much needed transparency into it all.
Flip the last sentence to the other side and you've got "in a circus brimming full of kids acting unprofessional, I'm not going to waste my time and energy over anyone's saying this or that until someone with proper authority and that can legitimately speak for the organization clears things up".
Goes without saying but being skeptical and straight out lambasting a kid for assuming they're a cheater are completely different. It'd be siding with kiddos all the same, just on the other side of the schoolyard.
Bombs are dropping all over the place
When the powers that be say he is legit because they checked and he's clean. Then someone says there are other ways to cheat they are not being skeptical anymore they are saying no matter what ANYBODY says he's cheating.
Here in the US you have to have a search warrant to do what they did to him making this a criminal investigation here.
I have to assume there is some law protecting his rights in Holland surely for his own saftey.
@BadMayh3mMeaning that George something is among the "powers that be"? And on Twitter, no less?
That's exactly my point.
@BadMayh3mEuropean civil, human, and consumer rights are more extensive than in the USA.
@BadMayh3m wrote:When the powers that be say he is legit because they checked and he's clean. Then someone says there are other ways to cheat they are not being skeptical anymore they are saying no matter what ANYBODY says he's cheating.
Here in the US you have to have a search warrant to do what they did to him making this a criminal investigation here.
I have to assume there is some law protecting his rights in Holland surely for his own saftey.
"Someone" referring to me 🤣 There are means to circumvent things as I've stated. When there are things which have not been explained, are we still expected to take it for face for value even when as stated? There are means to navigate around things. We see it in various sports.
There are videos showing instances of driving which don't tally up such as with preciseness of eSports driving (e.g missing apexes),
minimum corner speed faster than what should be seen with a supposedly lower downforce setup,
big mistakes on some corners and still making up speed to finish a few good tenths ahead of everyone else. These things have yet to be explained with a marked silence from the driver himself. Nobody has explained them @BadMayh3m ? I don't think you've acknowledged any of it during these discussions. Should we still not be sceptical?
I hope you can understand why the sceptism remains but I get the impression that you've conflated my reasons for scepticism with a perceived statement of accusation.
I’ve just watched my hotness’s (Jake Benham) France video and it’s something I’ve noticed from a few videos I’ve seen. Pretty much All the drivers are seriously getting their elbows out whenever Ronhaar is wheel to wheel with them. To the point they are risking their own race. I
@BadMayh3m wrote:When the powers that be say he is legit because they checked and he's clean. Then someone says there are other ways to cheat they are not being skeptical anymore they are saying no matter what ANYBODY says he's cheating.
Here in the US you have to have a search warrant to do what they did to him making this a criminal investigation here.
I have to assume there is some law protecting his rights in Holland surely for his own saftey.
The best way for anyone to prove their ability without question is to go to another system and perform the same. Any check of the PC etc is subject to how good the check can be.
As for the legal aspects, have you seen anything to suggest any check has been completed without Thomas Ronhaar's consent? If not then there is zero issue in this regard.
My 2 cents on this allegations from my experience is that the delay about an official statement means that something is not right with at least one person, not necesarily with the streaming guy even tho he is like the biggest suspect and which of course he has a lot to lose now cause a lot of people are tagging him a cheater. If everything was right, i think an official statement like "Yeah he is working with us to see if somebody can cheat" or something, was coming in 1 day or maximum 2 days to clear their/his reputation.
