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In F1 22 the Level of Grip and Traction that cars have seems to be incredibly minuscule compared to f1 cars in sims such as Asseto Corsa, Iracing and even in real life: (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypbjxn_sl8o clip for comparison; look at the throttle control; on most corners, the amount of throttle which is applied without spinning is much higher than in f1 22 with sometimes 75%+ of the throttle being added instantly at 1:30 in the video while in the game on the same corner in Jeddah you can't get away with more than 45-55% throttle with no TC)
This results in the player being forced to do extreme and unrealistic amounts of throttle control without any traction control which artificially raises the difficulty. To be clear, I am not saying that there should be no spinning or sliding, what I am saying is that currently, you spin way too easily.
Compared to sims such as Asseto Corsa you can see that there is a severe lack of grip, with cars in the f1 22 game losing grip incredibly easily, especially in corners such as Bahrain 11 and 12 (the long right-hander) where you abruptly just lose the tyres and crash out. The traction of the car seems to be disrupted too easily, and the car takes quite a bit of time to regain traction compared to sims and in actual f1.
In conclusion, I believe that currently, the game has taken a step back by making it even easier to spin out compared to last year (which was already unrealistic in its throttle control) and I think it's quite a shame as the handling feels miles better than last year, I hope that future updates will address this and if not then future instalment in the franchise.
tl;dr Grip very little, traction too easily lost and interrupted, unrealistic and very tedious throttle control as a result
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If they call them esports pro, make it pro and let them use cockpit view mandated. Bet you that they suddenly are 1 to 2 seconds off their tcam times.
Cockpit is harder, way harder to drive and see and feel what the car is doing.","body@stringLength":"702","rawBody":"@LittleAmigoBrit Regarding esports, as long as they are allowed to use tcam in stead of how the PRO’S do it in real life, you ahouldn’t take that too serious. They will go full on panic mode when they are mandated to use cockpit view. Because there go are the consistant laptimes, the widescreen view, which are the most crutch possible.
If they call them esports pro, make it pro and let them use cockpit view mandated. Bet you that they suddenly are 1 to 2 seconds off their tcam times.
Cockpit is harder, way harder to drive and see and feel what the car is 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Traction is worked at and updated but Jeddah is a track with too little grip (street circuits generally get lower grip but Jeddah has high grip IRL).. However if they would just increase the grip laptimes would be way too quick as the kerbs are not anywhere near as high as IRL..
Regarding high speed corners might rather be the tyre performance at higher loads, got massively reduced last year and i havent seen the tyre files of F1 22 yet so cant comment on it but it was the reason for the instability in high speed in 2021.
You shouldnt take Assetto Corsa mods as 1:1 to real life though looking at the official F2004 mod which has way more grip than the car had IRL..","body@stringLength":"857","rawBody":"@LittleAmigoBrit Jeddah is not a good comparison! Traction is worked at and updated but Jeddah is a track with too little grip (street circuits generally get lower grip but Jeddah has high grip IRL).. However if they would just increase the grip laptimes would be way too quick as the kerbs are not anywhere near as high as IRL..
Regarding high speed corners might rather be the tyre performance at higher loads, got massively reduced last year and i havent seen the tyre files of F1 22 yet so cant comment on it but it was the reason for the instability in high speed in 2021.
You shouldnt take Assetto Corsa mods as 1:1 to real life though looking at the official F2004 mod which has way more grip than the car had IRL..","author":{"__ref":"User:user:4320574"},"isEscalated":null,"postTime":"2022-06-29T21:45:05.653+01:00"},"ForumReplyMessage:message:8446549":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","id":"message:8446549","revisionNum":1,"uid":8446549,"depth":2,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:f1-games-franchise-discussion-en"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:8446547"},"subject":"Re: F1 22 Grip Levels and Traction","readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:8446549"},"body":"
Here is a clip of Australia Quali if Jeddah isn't a good example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTL4WOdp8xY From what I see, most of my points still stand about the grip. I understand that if the grip was just increased then lap times would be very quick but the current low level that it is at is incredibly tedious for driving and there are plenty of solutions to lower lap times while increasing grip, such as raising kerbs and more.
I understand that high loads on the tyres were reduced a lot last year and this year, but its far too unstable compared to real life and is way too easily lost IMO.
On Asseto Corsa, the comparison was based on the 2017 Car which was made as DLC for the game; I understand it will never be 1:1 but it is more realistic than the f1 games to actual f1 cars which is why I made the comparison as if a more accurate racing model could be made or the current one improved to become more sim like then racing could be made much more fun
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Here is a clip of Australia Quali if Jeddah isn't a good example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTL4WOdp8xY From what I see, most of my points still stand about the grip. I understand that if the grip was just increased then lap times would be very quick but the current low level that it is at is incredibly tedious for driving and there are plenty of solutions to lower lap times while increasing grip, such as raising kerbs and more.
I understand that high loads on the tyres were reduced a lot last year and this year, but its far too unstable compared to real life and is way too easily lost IMO.
On Asseto Corsa, the comparison was based on the 2017 Car which was made as DLC for the game; I understand it will never be 1:1 but it is more realistic than the f1 games to actual f1 cars which is why I made the comparison as if a more accurate racing model could be made or the current one improved to become more sim like then racing could be made much more fun
and less tedious
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Problem with increasing grip is that the current cornering speeds are already faster than IRL.. Increasing kerb height for all tracks doesnt make this better because they are rarely riding kerbs on the inside of corner in unrealistic fashion..
Traction is not that often a problem if you compare esports guys to Australia and those cases that are further off might be fixed by the upcoming patches. Until then its all just guessing","body@stringLength":"764","rawBody":"@LittleAmigoBrit To be fair im not sure how much the tyre structure change actually affected tyre performance IRL but the regulation changes for 2021 were downforce not tyre high load performance..
Problem with increasing grip is that the current cornering speeds are already faster than IRL.. Increasing kerb height for all tracks doesnt make this better because they are rarely riding kerbs on the inside of corner in unrealistic fashion..
Traction is not that often a problem if you compare esports guys to Australia and those cases that are further off might be fixed by the upcoming patches. Until then its all just guessing","author":{"__ref":"User:user:4320574"},"isEscalated":null,"postTime":"2022-06-29T22:11:35.632+01:00","parent":{"__ref":"ForumReplyMessage:message:8446549"}},"ForumReplyMessage:message:8446553":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","id":"message:8446553","revisionNum":1,"uid":8446553,"depth":4,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:f1-games-franchise-discussion-en"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:8446547"},"subject":"Re: F1 22 Grip Levels and Traction","readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:8446553"},"body":"
A change that could be made is to reduce downforce so that cornering speed is reduced, but due to the increased grip, there would be minimal change to the cornering speed.
Traction isn't often a problem for esports guys since they've spent and will continue to spend hundreds upon hundreds if not thousands of hours into the game as it is their job, so they will master it to a level which the casual person will not.
However, despite this one of the big pros of increasing grip would be a more realistic game which would replicate real-life experiences closer than it is currently doing
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A change that could be made is to reduce downforce so that cornering speed is reduced, but due to the increased grip, there would be minimal change to the cornering speed.
Traction isn't often a problem for esports guys since they've spent and will continue to spend hundreds upon hundreds if not thousands of hours into the game as it is their job, so they will master it to a level which the casual person will not.
However, despite this one of the big pros of increasing grip would be a more realistic game which would replicate real-life experiences closer than it is currently doing
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@SertacKaratepe_ Ok, let me first start off by saying my main issue is not spinning but the tedious throttle control you need to do to not spin being incredibly unrealistic and yes I drive without no TC.
\"It means considering these demands, developers will trim the realistic aspects of the game into an arcade which can be played around by anyone.\" Secondly, the main point of the post was that the throttle control and instability is not a realistic aspect and is only here to artificially increase the difficulty. Actual f1 drivers such as Lando have said that medium tc is closer to real-life grip than no tc, if the system was close to actual f1 driving then I would not have made this post, but it's not.
You are acting like people are asking for spinning to be removed entirely but that is not at all what has been said in this thread from what I have seen, they are saying and suggesting for grip and stability to be increased to a more realistic level based on telemtary footage of f1 drivers driving
Your opinion on this game being the most realistic game in the f1 franchise might be true about the handling and tyre models, but certainly not about the throttle control. If you want a \"decent f1 simulation game\" then try out a sim like Asseto Corsa and Iracing (both of which simulate f1 cars with a higher level of grip and have less tedious throttle control; oh wait thats not what you want!)
Your entire argument about making grip higher ruining a realistic aspect makes no sense, as it was stated before several f1 drivers have stated the traction and grip was closer to real life when traciton control was on.
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Even I can match my times with the different cameras. 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With tcam youre much more consistant.
And because you are as fast with both cams means exactly? What?
Tcam is a crutch. Would be so ething if the teams use tcam in their expensive simulators😱
Pro’s sit in the cockpit, not ON the halo. Why should the so called “pro’s” have it any easier than the real deal? I’ve seen a couple of those “pro’s” going on TV and having to do a lap but forced in cockpit mode, guess what? Slower by 1.5 seconds average!
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