F1 22 Grip Levels and Traction
In F1 22 the Level of Grip and Traction that cars have seems to be incredibly minuscule compared to f1 cars in sims such as Asseto Corsa, Iracing and even in real life: (https://www.youtube.com/watc...
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Overall i like the handling model of the new cars. I do not drive with TC/assists, want to drive cars in games like they are driven in real life.
If Norris said the traction of his real F1 car is more like the traction we get from F1 2020/2021 with medium tc then this says a lot about the realism here since the traction has become even worse in F1 22.
Maybe there will be a final patch that adjusts a few things. Then we might have a good F1 game ahead of us.
So far i enjoy the game, still trying to get the right AI difficulty but starting to think 101-102 for now is fine if i look at the performance charts of the My Team career at the beginning. Lots of time to find once people get used to the new cars.
Those who bought the game to enjoy playing the game ignore the “Gotta get gud idiots”
because first and foremost it’s just a game and it’s your game. We know that. They don’t
Don’t listen those that are only posting so they can shoehorn in hollow boasts hoping someone will care about how amazing they are because they don’t use any assists and beat 110 ai last to first In every race, blah blah blah;”. But obviously not that good or they would be racing against proper esporters like marcel and jarno
The fact off the matter is. There’s obviously a problem with lack off traction for those who have much better and far more important things to do than spend their life getting gud.
As for you Self proclaimed racing sim gods. No one is complaining about the handling they are complaining that when casually picking up a controller and having some fun. Is proving to be very frustrating. As TC on full makes the car to sluggish. But using medium tc is next useless when accelerating through 1st 2nd 3rd and even 4th.
The fact you even post belittling people who can’t enjoy the game they have just payed a lot off money for. Says more about how pathetic you are
- @ScarDuck14 Easy. Just turn casual race mode on. If you have more important things to do, don’t mind the sluggish cars. We all have more important things to do.
Too much meretricious gatekeeping elitism in this thread. Didn't receive any memo from corporate but if we do indeed need to present our credentials before posting, I was playing on 102~105 with no assists on a pad in my PS4 days, for whatever it's worth.
Useful advice for a change. Those having trouble with force feedback on controller, if you did any changes to the input profile on the game settings e.g. copying your settings from previous games, please revert to default and work from there. There are 4 sliders:
- Vibration & Force Feedback Strength: this is fair game, increase at will after doing a lap or two with the default settings. Go easy on it though, 5 increments tops every time
- On track Effects | Rumbling Strip Effects | Off Track Effects: leave these secondary sliders on default values until you find a comfortable setting with the FFB Strength one. These are more for fine tuning.
Reason being a) the FFB settings got reworked this time, these values do not seem to mean the same as before and old profile settings will not translate 1:1; and b) clipping is a real thing even on controllers.
Discussing this with a handful of users on Discord, this seems to be the case. The system doesn't do the best job of communicating how easily you can get FFB clipping here, but on part this is on us for just messing with the settings straight out of the box too. Looks like you can easily drown key signals, like the throttle feedback, if you go about cranking up those sliders without much thought.
I play on a wheel these days, but did a few laps on Spa with the Dualsense on PS5 before plugging the wheel. Lap 1 was the expected spin fest, but got my bearings relatively fast on lap 2 and it was fine after that.
This does not mean that the came is working wonders or as intended, there seems to be other FFB related issues going on. But this tip (redoing your settings based on default) is working for some. Hopefully will help you get more enjoyment out of the game in its current version.
And just a gratuitous heads up, know how sometimes people go on and on giving grief to someone just to realize way too late that they're dealing with a veritable expert on the matter? Yeah, you newcomers better beware on how you speak to @ScarDuck14 . If you ever find yourself in a room with ScarDuck and Hamilton or David Coulthard, you can bet your mom's house Blessed Lewis and DC will be all over chatting and cracking jokes with Duck while you sit alone in the corner sipping on your milkshake 🤭
Edit: and guess what? You can also bet your mom's pension they won't be talking about how only the real deal play on cockpit cam or whatever.
@mariohomoh 😍 only because you massive and vastly knowledgeable Brain is the Rock I have the privilege off being able to learn on🤘
@mariohomoh wrote:Too much meretricious gatekeeping elitism in this thread.
Yeah some the comments in this thread were very eliteist, wasn't really expecting it tbh- @mariohomoh You are hell of a word juggler great 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Don’t worry. I’m old enough to evaluate one’s expertise on their contextual intention while saying “there is no traction 1,2,3 even 4th gears” which means “we can’t do our only thing short shifting 1st to 4th gear because we spin, therefore the traction in the game sucks…” I have seen so many people last year complaining about the brakes and kerbs but after the update they were able to drive literally on the green patch of exit of 11th turn at Spa… and when they’re asked why they said come on maaan it’s not a sim it’s a game… watch your language. We are discussing the matter. Don’t involve any family member of anybody if you’re so mature and wise as you said.
@LittleAmigoBrit Simple case of when they are at home. The only person they get to boast about how great they are is their mum. Obviously their mums know different. So they come to places like this looking for a thread they can shoehorn how amazing they think they are 😃. I don’t mind or care when it’s aimed at me. As I don’t need to prove or get validation on my awesomeness from the internet: But it does bother me they post on a thread posted by someone just looking for alittle help and not only don’t offer any but try and belittle them cause they asked for help. 😇
- @SertacKaratepe_ I'm watchful, alright. I'm not even assuming anyone here has a mom to begin with. As I said, the overall gatekeepey tone put me off and I did not pay much mind to any specific comment – hence my trying to reset the conversation with a general tip that may help some of those struggling with throttle modulation and traction feedback 👌
On the same note, I'm not willing to take your oversimplified version of others' argument here. Can you actually get to the point without resorting to dumbing the debate down? Hard to keep on "discussing the matter" when the only attempt at that in your post is ridiculing and lumping together every opposing views on the topic.
Not denying there are bad players with too happy of a trigger blaming the game for what in actuality is their lack of skill, but that's usually quite easy to spot and to rebut without belittling anyone. We can do better than that.
David Greco already said that grip is fine. The patch the mentions refers to the updated transmission he talked about on the Alex Gillon interview as currently there is indeed a mismatch in the game with throttle application and the current instantaneous power delivery at the wheels. Not the reason for everyone's woes, but it's an update that will concurrently make throttle control more feasible. 🙄 @SertacKaratepe_ I was referring to posts that have been made on here plus other sources where people have said they are struggling to stop the wheels spinning all the way through to 4th or 5th gear
The fact their is a patch coming to reduce torque when accelerating through those gears clearly means it’s a issue.
In the actual world worki for me Is more often than not driving at high speeds on public roads. Although not anywhere ear F1 speeds but it’s A thousand times more dangerous than driving on a track and infinite times more dangerous than paying a racing game.
Well its good to hear that that torque will be improved in updates which would improve stability as you need to fight less with your wheel and a fix for an apparent miss-match in transmission would definitely improve consistency and driving for No TC
🙄 @SertacKaratepe_ I was referring to posts that have been made on here plus other sources where people have said they are struggling to stop the wheels spinning all the way through to 4th or 5th gear
The fact their is a patch coming to reduce torque when accelerating through those gears clearly means it’s a issue.
In the actual world worki for me Is more often than not driving at high speeds on public roads. Although not anywhere ear F1 speeds but it’s A thousand times more dangerous than driving on a track and infinite times more dangerous than paying a racing game. And the only way you can do that legally is by proving you can
@mariohomoh good advice on the ffb - thanks
- @mariohomoh I may have overreacted some time I agree and you can put it on my frustration of disappointment over the years about f1 games. I just feel like current modeling way better than any previous ones.
On the other way, there can be much more smart solutions to tweak some algorithm rather than changing handling or traction behavior and as the developer said, torque reducing or recalibrating can be the sweet spot. And I am totally fine with that.
Lastly, I’m happy to shake hands whatever the conclusion of this discussion will be. 👍🏼 - @ScarDuck14 Isn’t it the real purpose? We all seek to satisfy our hunger of speed and competition by much cheaper and safer ways. When we do it properly, we’re happy…
@SertacKaratepe_ wrote:
@mariohomohI may have overreacted some time I agree and you can put it on my frustration of disappointment over the years about f1 games. I just feel like current modeling way better than any previous ones.
On the other way, there can be much more smart solutions to tweak some algorithm rather than changing handling or traction behavior and as the developer said, torque reducing or recalibrating can be the sweet spot. And I am totally fine with that.
Lastly, I’m happy to shake hands whatever the conclusion of this discussion will be. 👍🏼Hey @SertacKaratepe_ , I appreciate this! Legit happy that we could make a 180 and shift up to a more amicable gear – don't mind the puns!
Codemasters' titles sure can be frustrating at times and release windows are always chaotic. Crank that up to eleven given how accessible to casual players these games are. But the devs put on good work mingling in with us and being talkative about the games*, and this community, at least in the original forums, can often surprise us with good knowledge and insight in everything motorsports. There are some really cool petrol heads lurking around!
Sorry if I got too heavy handed. Same as you, sometimes frustration creeps up and I can get carried over if it seems that the usual camaraderie is being disturbed. Heh, I should heed my own words I guess 🤣
Edit: Added the "*" part to clarify a bit. It's not about generally respecting devs; Codemasters have a lot of issues but it's also a good example of devs being on an arm's reach when the atmosphere is nice.
- @mariohomoh Glad to be reminded 👍🏼😊 those guys behind the curtain. Big appreciate… we can be pain in the a** sometimes 😂
@SertacKaratepe_ I’m not a eloquent in my native tongue(English) so I’ll just echo what the Brazilian @mariohomoh said. I hate internet toxicity and bullying and can’t help but bite at times when aimed towards people who are just looking for help.
Guys I've read every single comment on this topic. I don't really understand one thing.
Could someone please explain me, why are you not using TC ON?
It is there. It is just suited for you. For the ones, who has only 2 hours of playtime per day and looking for some casual fun.
Do you really think it is fair to ask the developers for a change, so you can able to play without TC Assist and disappoint the people, who can play the game without any problem? That's why, there is a TC Assist.
Pushing the developers to make it easy for everyone to drive without TC find it unfair.
I have no words to the people asking for an adjustment in TC Medium.
I hope I don't light the dying fire again, but I really want to know why you don't play TC ON.
@Padrino78 I play without TC Assist and I am having fun, you don't hear me complain.
But if this lack of traction is unrealistic, why not patch it to make it more realistic?
Im sure EA won't patch it because people find it difficult, but because its not how its supposed to be.
I agree any realistic feature should be the target of the developers in "no assist mode", together with "keeping it playable for everybody" (but that should be the purpose of aids).
To help anybody to compare himself with the others, once again, filters in Time Trial would help a lot.
Ciao,
Nuvanother Get good elitist
- @haardcorefoley Define please elitist.
You not heard of google ?
- @Padrino78 Don’t even take that bait bro because what you said makes 1000% sense. It’s the same with all games, people who invest time and energy can do without all kinds off “trainingwheels” how I call it.
Has nothing to do with elitism, is just harsh reality that apparently you (and me and others) have experience to go round without TC. And finally they made medium TC way less of a crutch and more punishing when you drive like before.
Haven’t been online yet, just doing some offline to get a feel for the cars and handling model, but if medium TC is really so different I’m going to enjoy blasting away out corners and seeing medium TC users make pirouettes everywehere 🤣 - @Padrino78 Do not lump people together here, mate. It is not like if anyone "whining" about traction is just a bad player or people that should be playing with TC on.
There are at least three related topics here:
a) Traction being off
b) TC being imbalanced: TC Medium seems to be too little and TC High makes it basically impossible to spin, taking the fun out of the game
c) FFB being off: perhaps for clipping, perhaps for how it was reworked this time, looks like many people are not getting the traction signal back in their controllers - at least not as clear and as intense as before.
Three issues. All related to traction somehow and that are bound to pop up in all this discussions.
Issue "a" was already acknowledged by the devs and the head of physics and handling department already said will improve once the expected patch that will make the transmission more realistic is released. So "whining" about it is moot, people in the know have long admitted and long been working on addressing it by making the physics more realistic and do away with the instantaneous power output at the wheels whenever there's any throttle input from the player.
Issue "b" is the one you're ignoring and why your "why just don't play with TC" suggestion is out of touch. As per their reports, TC do not follow the same overall balance from previous games and they cannot find a level that suits their needs.
Let's keep the "whining" about assists making people too fast (they do not) out of it. There are tons of ways to tune TC - and ABS for that matter. Devs can tune how early on the tyre grip vs load sensitivity curve the assist is activated, and they can tune how intense will be their effect once it kicks in.
Making changes to how the assists work do not automatically make the game unfair by making "assists faster than no-assists".
Issue "c" is still unclear, if a problem on the end user cranking up the settings too much or if indeed the game needs to be patched. The latter could probably be the case, given other unrelated reports of the FFB having issues in other aspects.
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