@ScarDuck14 wrote:
@Monzstar83Should have a lot to talk about soon😎
100% - am actually looking forward to 23 as 22 has gone pretty stale for me
@Nuvolarix @Ritami888 all,
My 2p/cents on this; I work in implementing business systems that cover a large range of business processes - of course we set out to deal with the big business issues at our clients as priority. Sometimes system limitations/ complexity/ cost can lead to delays or compromises on these, but I think everyone can deal with that given some transparency and communication.
But the “low-hanging fruit” - stuff that can easily be achieved with minimal effort and low risk of impact on other system areas, should not be overlooked, as it all adds up. We deal with as many of these as we can, as it’s just indicative of a better system.
Of course the big issues come first and there is always a balance to be struck - but if you’re not delivering the big things, you had better be delivering the small things.
In the absence of big solutions, the end-user will inevitably switch their focus to the smaller things and be sat there frustrated, thinking “why can’t they just deal with this?” - it bubbles up and this what I think is happening here. Capacity can always be freed up to gain some “wins” in a “losing” situation, and this is what I think EA/CM should do here - particularly towards the end of a game cycle.
As many will know, I’ve been a regular on these and the CM boards for a long while - and while I think the recent games (for me) have generally been decent, but I’ve often found myself sat there thinking “why can’t they just deal with this?” when it comes to the small things. It genuinely baffles me that many of the small improvements identified in this thread have have been knocking around for many months or years.
I really want EA/CM to be successful for this game, and I think a little shift in focus could help them go some way to achieve this.
@ScarDuck14 wrote:
I’ve already asked some months back for suggestions forum to return and replace the drivers lounge. Will make it easier for suggestions to be posted and talked about and for the dev team to read through them.
Agreed - this should 100% be the first step, coupled with a decent voting system so they can see what the community makes of the suggestions.
But votes alone should not be the only bar they react to - let me explain. The Bigger voted suggestions they should definitely look into, but there will be suggestions which are obviously good that do not get many votes. The decision makers need to be able to identify genuinely good suggestions and get them in the game. So for example, my suggestion of a thin white outline for car markers in the mini-map or all menus to be fully cycle-able (currently some are, some aren’t) - neither of these got too much traction when posted compared to the bigger issues (something like 35%, 75% race distance), but are clearly small quality of life and easy improvements that can be made.
Knock these small things off the list while working on the bigger stuff, and the game is better overall.
@ScarDuck14 wrote:
@Monzstar83With you on the thin white line👍
But I go back to I tried to explain to the user off many many accounts( I’m forever watching ). The devs will not actively engage on a suggestions thread. Danger being if they say to someone that their suggestion is awesome and they implement it into a game. It’s leaves the door open for someone to seek monetary reward. No matter how unlikely their chance in a court would be. It’s a headache EA will want to do without. So adding a polling system where the devs add the winning suggestion to the game. The author of said suggestion could have a case.
I emailed Ubisoft back in ps3 days. Before I could email them. Was a long disclaimer about it I was emailing them to suggest something I do so freely blah blah blah.
Wow. So basically if I make a suggestion and they use it, I could claim a reward? Curious though, CM did have a suggestion board, so this must have applied to them. If EA don’t want the legal headache, then that is not a good situation - no way to make suggestions and they actively won’t implement anything suggested? Bonkers 🤪 Can’t remember if I had to agree some some T&C’s to join this forum, but surely that would have been covered?
Even if there may be these 'legal reasons', I hope they can "get inspired" quietly or the forum is simply nonsense.
I hope that common sense is still part of this world...
@ScarDuck14 so it's enough for me, my reward is a game getting better and better ❤️
@NuvolarixProblem with how the forums are currently. It’s hard for them to browse suggestions as they quickly fall off the front page. Or they are just an endless list of suggestions that have been said time and time again.
Beauty off your, @Meza994 , and @Monzstar83 suggestions is they are well thought out after putting many hours into the game.
My thing is more about getting issues and bugs fixed which I’m told will be improved come 23
Yes I agree, it's not easy to properly collect suggestions unless some 'unofficial' users (having regard to the previous considerations) try to collect them in a single topic, perhaps distinguishing 'easy and fast' from 'majors' and 'confirmed and verified' from 'first impression' etc., always updating the main post or something like that.
I think I (we) can try to do it in the future starting from F1 23 I would say, maybe with a pinned topic. Just brainstorming...
