How long until AI is fixed?
I've spot a few replies about the forums RE the CM team is working on fixing the AI straight line speed bug. Has anyone seen anywhere that it says how long they anticipate this will take? I do find ...
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@Amioram Completely acknowledge what you say mate, I’m not trying to downplay it whatsoever as I couldn’t do it in a million years.
One thing I would say though is this is they’re well over 10 years into having this franchise and I would’ve thought by now they’d of had AI speed nailed down. Plenty of other motor racing games have it. It gets a bit frustrating that the same bugs and issues carry over from game to game whilst they spend time adding sofas and supercars.
One thing I would say though is this is they’re well over 10 years into having this franchise and I would’ve thought by now they’d of had AI speed nailed down. Plenty of other motor racing games have it. It gets a bit frustrating that the same bugs and issues carry over from game to game whilst they spend time adding sofas and supercars.
@joshhhhmcgillActually there are very few racing titles that have very good AI, as AI is one of the most difficult things to implement. The F1 games have some the best AI overall in the sim racing genre, when there are no glaring issues as in this case. The only other sim racing titles that have very good AI are RF2 and RaceRoom, and that's it.
ACC for example has very passive AI, very slow overall, with drastic pace variability between circuits. AMS2 has become better with patches but it still has huge issues in slow corners, and the AI is often oblivious to what the player is doing. Assetto Corsa varies drastically from car to car and mod to mod, and it behaves too mechanically with cars mostly standing all on rails. Gran Turismo has very passive AI and as AC their pace varies drastically from car to car, they are also too robotic, with drivers not carrying different personalities. And so on and so forth.
As I said I came from pc sim racing and ai was a personal look out for me. I be obsessed with the ai and how they performed in pc sims.
I found rf2 ai was good but they never overtook you if in your draft, it was never and still isn't fixed to this day and rf2 had been out for a long while. But rf2 was one of the first ai to have a defensive block move programmed in. Raceroom had a great ai to and seemed the most action packed when racing with lots of overtaking. Ac and acc as stated was a little boring In comparison. I was a beta tester on ams2 and that ai steadily improved over time i think. But most if not all ai in games have a slow track or corner or something or another, luckily f1 has one car model/ai to get right these other sims can have tons of car models to sort the ai out with.
Now these f1 games I think have the best ai out there especially on console. They block they can overtake u in a straight line they just need some tweaking.
So guys don't be hard on them, especially if you haven't tried the alternatives out there.
- @Dan78loki The f1 games making the Ai much faster in the straights doesn’t make them the best.
@SomaticCoast375it's literally a bug the core race craft for the ai remains the best. Yes it shouldn't be in game but again I think cm will fix it. Then again I've not experienced it in my career races so it's mode or something specific.
Also I've heard if Geoff crammond games had the first back on an amiga and all 3 sequels. I played one recently number 4 found a disk on ebay. Its good for its time, but if doesn't hold up to today's gaming. Nostalgia Rose glasses are a fine thing.
As far as I'm concerned, they should simply take the AI and other data from the F1 2021 version. Adjust the strengths of the teams and drivers and you're done. To be able to use this game at all.
I was actually thinking. Although still needs a tweak here and there. And as I’ve got 21. Id like this years car and the handling model and as I like bonkers aggressive ai put in a separate file that can’t be switched between the two games. Or better still switched between 2020 as my team is my bag. The first version off my team was by far better balanced, better thought out and never felt as know a script or ai cheat or rubberbanding was being thrown at me. Probably were butt they were better disguised.
Gaming is regressing. Happened before back in the days off Atari. But that was down lack off technical know how and technology to move gaming to the next level. Now it’s down to pure greed. Make a cheap pound shop product and pass it off as premium.
I’m honestly thinking about buying a PS3 so I can go back to playing great games. F1 championship edition, black ops 1&2, bad company 2, and RUSE: and it’s my luck PlayStation now has classic ps3 games and classic Ubisoft games. But none off the games I like.
- @Amioram Key difference is most of those games, particularly GT has far better online experiences and therefore doesn’t need to lean on their AI development as much.
The F1 series online experience isn’t good enough and hasn’t been for many years. Imo without a strong online experience the AI need to be near perfect, and again I’m not disputing how hard that is.
The F1 AI is great when it comes to attacking/defending, especially this year it’s actually a challenge when overtaking but to have game breaking advantages is a deal breaker with the AI no matter how many positives they have.We are talking of AI here, the fact that other titles can or not have better online, or that they can prefer to undergo the AI to focus more into other aspects doesn't change the reality of the situation.
Nobody heard of Geoff Crammond's F1 games since we are talking about AI here? The guy was a legend in programming AI for his game and you are going to tell me that in 2022 no one can't do a top quality realistic AI for a racing game or it is too hard? I call that BS.
My bet is that these Publishers/Developers don't want to hire experienced professional programmers that know their stuff in AI programming etc. A lot of these top programmers are very smart with PhD's in Physics in some cases. It's all about the $$$$, good quality experience programers cut into the companies profit margin.
This is not new news, it's been like this for a couple of decades now and not just for racing games, sports game and other games that require decent human behavior AI is severely lacking in today's games. A lot of these AAA game companies hire much less experience programmers coming out of college for so little pay/money or they outsource from other places/countries. So, as the saying goes, garbage in, garbage out unfortunately.
