I've spot a few replies about the forums RE the CM team is working on fixing the AI straight line speed bug. Has anyone seen anywhere that it says how long they anticipate this will take?I do find it extremely concerning that bugs which the team themselves have acknowledged as "game breaking" are still only being "investigated" with no word on rectifying the issue. I know very little about game development but would assume this would've been picked up prior to release during in-house testing so I'm guessing it's been a few months whilst working on a fix already? I thought the cars were enjoyable to drive pre 1.06 so I could look past the OP AI straight line speed but now the cars are overheating tractors to drive I'm struggling to stay motivated to play despite still wanting too. After the horrific patch I really thought they'd put out a statement of some sort or revert straight back to driving characteristics of 1.05...Hope CM learn their lessons from this year, people don't care about sofa's, they care about a career mode and My Team that has largely remained stale and unchanged from last year. I also feel far too long was spent on supercars, personally (and I don't know if this is the general feeling) I got bored of driving them after about 2 Pirelli Hot Laps. I know EA sent out a survey a few days ago so I can only hope CM really take onboard their loyal fanbases thoughts for next year and don't leave us feeling like we've been mugged off for £80.

@Amioram Key difference is most of those games, particularly GT has far better online experiences and therefore doesn’t need to lean on their AI development as much.The F1 series online experience isn’t good enough and hasn’t been for many years. Imo without a strong online experience the AI need to be near perfect, and again I’m not disputing how hard that is.The F1 AI is great when it comes to attacking/defending, especially this year it’s actually a challenge when overtaking but to have game breaking advantages is a deal breaker with the AI no matter how many positives they have.

Nobody heard of Geoff Crammond's F1 games since we are talking about AI here? The guy was a legend in programming AI for his game and you are going to tell me that in 2022 no one can't do a top quality realistic AI for a racing game or it is too hard? I call that BS. My bet is that these Publishers/Developers don't want to hire experienced professional programmers that know their stuff in AI programming etc. A lot of these top programmers are very smart with PhD's in Physics in some cases. It's all about the $$$$, good quality experience programers cut into the companies profit margin. This is not new news, it's been like this for a couple of decades now and not just for racing games, sports game and other games that require decent human behavior AI is severely lacking in today's games. A lot of these AAA game companies hire much less experience programmers coming out of college for so little pay/money or they outsource from other places/countries. So, as the saying goes, garbage in, garbage out unfortunately.

How long is a piece of string? Handling model is great now. Plus it actually looks great and sounds awesome compared to last year. But as I only play my team. No point in starting a career that’s just going to annoy and frustrate me which will only end up with me ranting on here. Because my team as a mode is unbalanced and as my team car is a fat slow dog to start with just exaggerates how bonkers mental ai speed is. F1 2020 with F1 22 aggressive ai and I be happier than a pig in doodah😀👍

I don't believe the AI speed is as easy to balance as people think it is, and if CM releases a patch resolving the issue I guess they want to be sure that the speed scales properly with AI difficulty. The AI being so fast is usually misnamed here as a problem with straight line speed but in reality it is (much) more complicated than this. Even for example if you use the mod on Race Department that lowers the max bulk torque so that indeed the AI will become slower overall they still retain their unpredictable nature. Sure, they will be slower on corner exit (and hence also on straight line speed), however in fast corners they will be now two times as fast as they are in slow corners and depending on tire temperature and/or wear they become faster or slower. So you have circuits in which the speed is too slow and circuits in which the speed is still too fast, as you have parts of the circuit in which they are extremely slow and parts in which they are extremely fast, so that the speed decrease is not harmonic at all.It's not so easy to have an AI that carries similar pace in every corner of a circuit and it's still more difficult to do so for every circuit involved. Then you add changes of difficulty and how such changes impact the AI (and having that decrease be as linear as possible), you add in tire wear and temperature and it's not an easy task to balance the speed of AI properly. If they release a fix they must be sure that the speed decrease is as fluid as possible and work in the same way in the different modes. Doing so requires not only a lot of work in the programming side but especially in the QA department. For this I believe it is taking all this time, and, personally, I much prefer that they take all the time they need to actually tailor AI speed properly instead of releasing a quick fix that just patches a hole here and there but by doing so making the AI even more unpredictable to drive against. There's nothing worse than unpredictability in AI because pace you can fix by tailoring difficulty, but when you have AI that is all over the place as pace goes then it is really difficult to find a difficulty that suits your personal skill.

@Amioram Completely acknowledge what you say mate, I’m not trying to downplay it whatsoever as I couldn’t do it in a million years.One thing I would say though is this is they’re well over 10 years into having this franchise and I would’ve thought by now they’d of had AI speed nailed down. Plenty of other motor racing games have it. It gets a bit frustrating that the same bugs and issues carry over from game to game whilst they spend time adding sofas and supercars.

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ScarDuck14
Legend
4 years ago
@Ultrasonic_77 Aarava and Marduk(who is actually alright) we’re obviously some of the you tubers who immediately pop up when you search for the game. And aarava does know my team. His tip video for starting a my team career is the same advice I’d give. Obviously he should as it’s his bread and butter. And it’s entertaining how wrapped he gets in the immersion and fantasy. But now I skip past his videos. Clickbait and to wait as long as he did before raising the games issues. Just before the patch which everyone knew was coming at anytime. Then post a video claiming it because off him.

Ignore me. Hung over and grumpy
Gilles61
New Veteran
4 years ago
As far as I'm concerned, they should simply take the AI and other data from the F1 2021 version. Adjust the strengths of the teams and drivers and you're done. To be able to use this game at all.
ScarDuck14
Legend
4 years ago
I was actually thinking. Although still needs a tweak here and there. And as I’ve got 21. Id like this years car and the handling model and as I like bonkers aggressive ai put in a separate file that can’t be switched between the two games. Or better still switched between 2020 as my team is my bag. The first version off my team was by far better balanced, better thought out and never felt as know a script or ai cheat or rubberbanding was being thrown at me. Probably were butt they were better disguised.
Gaming is regressing. Happened before back in the days off Atari. But that was down lack off technical know how and technology to move gaming to the next level. Now it’s down to pure greed. Make a cheap pound shop product and pass it off as premium.

I’m honestly thinking about buying a PS3 so I can go back to playing great games. F1 championship edition, black ops 1&2, bad company 2, and RUSE: and it’s my luck PlayStation now has classic ps3 games and classic Ubisoft games. But none off the games I like.
Dechri
4 years ago
@ScarDuck14 I would specify, that mainly triple a gaming is regressing. Indie devs have better tools than ever to catch up the difference between high cost products and indie work. So aaa devs will mamy likely implode in their greedy habits as people find high quality products from proper indie studios.

So now i may be pissed of of the cheap cash grabs, gambling for kids, endless useless in shops and nft scams, i turn my eyes towards indie and find new areas to enjoy my gaming hobby.

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