How Realistic is F122? (According to an F1 Engineer)
Interesting video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VwhThyQ6V8
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@Blackbird90
Yea and after watdching the video i think theres one massive flaw in their comparison. And that is the traction part.
The outcome is somewhat very misleading and they compared wrong things to each other.
Alex lap was done under normal F1 22 shifting (perhaps slightly lower than you would go) but still higher than IRL and Russells lap. So essentially they are comparing Alex in third gear on the apex and throttle out of the corner to Russell whos in 2nd gear at that time and does no shortshifting, while Alex is arleady in fourth when Russell just upshifts to third.
That makes a comparison impossible as traction is obviously different in every gear. Alex should instead have done his lap in the same gears (or as close as possible) as Russell. Because then the outcome would have been completely different as George is flat in 2nd gear and Alex wouldve had to be much more cautious while putting power down.
I also asked 2 other experienced Sim pros about this and they say the same thing. Alex and the other guy probably forgot that dimension when making this video so i dont want to blame them but definitely that comparison does not give true results.
Yea and after watdching the video i think theres one massive flaw in their comparison. And that is the traction part.
The outcome is somewhat very misleading and they compared wrong things to each other.
Alex lap was done under normal F1 22 shifting (perhaps slightly lower than you would go) but still higher than IRL and Russells lap. So essentially they are comparing Alex in third gear on the apex and throttle out of the corner to Russell whos in 2nd gear at that time and does no shortshifting, while Alex is arleady in fourth when Russell just upshifts to third.
That makes a comparison impossible as traction is obviously different in every gear. Alex should instead have done his lap in the same gears (or as close as possible) as Russell. Because then the outcome would have been completely different as George is flat in 2nd gear and Alex wouldve had to be much more cautious while putting power down.
I also asked 2 other experienced Sim pros about this and they say the same thing. Alex and the other guy probably forgot that dimension when making this video so i dont want to blame them but definitely that comparison does not give true results.
@Wollcott wrote:
@Blackbird90
Yea and after watdching the video i think theres one massive flaw in their comparison. And that is the traction part.
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Alex and the other guy probably forgot that dimension when making this video
We'd have to ask Alex to be certain but personally I'd be astonished he he did 'forget'. Rather I suspect it's so obvious that the gears used to drive optimally aren't the same that there was no point trying to do an equivalent comparison in this regard. Instead they focused on how the end result of driving the fastest lap possible compared, which doesn't seem unreasonable.
- @Ultrasonic_77 I mentioned it in my last reply. There's a whole segment in the video just about how wrong the gear ratios are.
What are gear ratios if not torque delivery/traction? That and power curves are what determine what gear you'll want to be in on corner entry and what gear you'll be upshifting to on corner exit.
Tyre model will obviously influence that too, but there's an entire segment in the video just to show how off the torque is.@mariohomohsomewhat off-topic and regarding the telemetry you've posted.
I don't like the guy but VER is a beast. Keeping the gear low to deliver more power out of corners putting 0.7s onto Sainz which isn't a poor driver at all.
(I wouldn't like to be his gearbox tho but this isn't my problem haha)
- @Ultrasonic_77 Yeah or that. Don't think it's unreasonable but then they also could've said that the result here is not gonna be representative as it's different gears and different levels of traction.
@Wollcott wrote:
@Ultrasonic_77Yeah or that. Don't think it's unreasonable but then they also could've said that the result here is not gonna be representative as it's different gears and different levels of traction.It depends what you mean by 'representative'. I'd argue what they did was far more representative than Alex trying to mirror real F1 gear changes would have been, since it mirrored what (good) players of the game will be doing.
Don't misunderstand me, I do think the current unrealistic high-gear meta is something I'd love to see fixed. In a recent post somewhere I actually put this second only to wanting to seeing BIG improvements in the online experience as my wishes for F1 23.
- @Ultrasonic_77 I mean it can't be representative if you use higher gears to achieve a similar traction model. That already confirms that traction is very unrealistic.
To really compare real life traction to ingame they have to use the same gears. You can't compare two things and say it's representative if both things are done in a different style. They look at telemetry and say that it's fairly similar out of the corner but then it is only like that because you "cheat" yourself out of the lower traction area by using higher gears. If they really wanted to compare every time a real F1 car goes down under traction in 2nd gear, then you gotta do the exact same thing.
