Is EA SPORTS F1 dead?
Now, this one is a really weird title, and I don't greet you guys for a reason. I'm angry right now. A few days ago, I watched a video about possible content for F1 23, and it included rumors about...
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@mariohomoh I am not saying that microtransactions should completely vanish. As I said before, Codies brought them in with the suits and liveries in F1 2019, and then the Podium Pass in 2020, so this is no EA idea.
However, it's the crucial things in F1 games like handling, AI, and online play that EA keeps looking over just to insert more opportunities to make money, and that's not fair considering that every F1 game from 2015 to 2020 had its focus on the core gameplay, but everything changed to the absolute worst with 2021.
However, it's the crucial things in F1 games like handling, AI, and online play that EA keeps looking over just to insert more opportunities to make money, and that's not fair considering that every F1 game from 2015 to 2020 had its focus on the core gameplay, but everything changed to the absolute worst with 2021.
We've discussed the Ultimate Team concept of the F1 games before and I still fail to see any way that it could really work even if EA wanted to make it happen. I don't see it happening myself. In FIFA you can just play the game and completely ignore that FUT exists anyway.
I’m glad I’ve been busy all day/night and missed all this😁
Nico please for your own sanity listen to everyone’s advice. Take a step back. It’s just a game. Games are about fun and enjoyment. Both of which you’re not having.
When I get frustrated with this game I play Grid legends instead. As it’s super casual arcade cheesy fun fun.
- @Ultrasonic_77 I know that, and I don't play FIFA Ultimate Team. But FIFA is a football (soccer for you Americans) game, and it's fairly simple to develop. Just create a pitch, put 22 players on it, add a physics engine to it, attach game rules, done. And even if it's so simple and repetitive, it's still fun to play.
F1 on the other hand is much more complex than FIFA. You need to develop tracks, AI, handling, car models, liveries, etc, etc. And EA always looks over AI and handling, two of the most crucial parts about an F1 game, which are important to make Single Player fun to play. For two years now, I can't play on Expert difficulty (80) because the combination of overpowered AI and drifty handling makes every race literally a nightmare. I can't play Two Player Career properly because EA doesn't maintenance the servers to make sure they run correctly when two players far away from each other connect. I can't play online with fun because all players are taking each other out. And worse, my patience is wearing down quickly, and soon, my brain will just blow up like an F1 engine when it suffers a mechanical failure.
Seriously, the only chance that EA has is to release the chains from Codemasters and let them do their work, otherwise, we will never see any good F1 game again. - @ScarDuck14 Maybe I really should take a step back. I mean, with every update for F1 22 that arrives, I have some hope, but when I get disappointed like this every time because none of the crucial problems were taken care of, then I'm losing more and more confidence in the franchise.
As of right now, I'm also playing other games, like Forza Horizon 5, The Crew 2, GRID Legends, and even F1 Manager 22, and if I want to be honest here, all of these games are so much more fun than F1 22, and I really enjoy playing them. Especially the latter, since I managed to get Lewis Hamilton to his 8th title, and this in 2022, where the Mercedes was nowhere close to being a championship contender car. And now in 2023, we have a dominant car because I mainly focused on research last year.
So it's not like I have just F1 22 to play, and maybe you're right. If I get frustrated with it, I should play something else.
@LuckyNico92 wrote:
@Ultrasonic_77I know that, and I don't play FIFA Ultimate Team. But FIFA is a football (soccer for you Americans) game, and it's fairly simple to develop. Just create a pitch, put 22 players on it, add a physics engine to it, attach game rules, done. And even if it's so simple and repetitive, it's still fun to play.
F1 on the other hand is much more complex than FIFA. You need to develop tracks, AI, handling, car models, liveries, etc, etc. And EA always looks over AI and handling, two of the most crucial parts about an F1 game, which are important to make Single Player fun to play. For two years now, I can't play on Expert difficulty (80) because the combination of overpowered AI and drifty handling makes every race literally a nightmare. I can't play Two Player Career properly because EA doesn't maintenance the servers to make sure they run correctly when two players far away from each other connect. I can't play online with fun because all players are taking each other out. And worse, my patience is wearing down quickly, and soon, my brain will just blow up like an F1 engine when it suffers a mechanical failure.
Seriously, the only chance that EA has is to release the chains from Codemasters and let them do their work, otherwise, we will never see any good F1 game again.I am not a game developer but to me it doesn't seem remotely obvious that FIFA was somehow an inherently simpler game to make, and given its larger market my guess is it's had significantly more total development resource put into it than the F1 games.
- @Ultrasonic_77 F1 22 Has what 40ish drivers? 20ish teams? And 2 series.(Never counted) Whereas FIFA 23 boasts over 19,000 players across 700 teams and 30 leagues.
Not to mention the drivers in F1 have 4 stats if you include focus. Fifa players have dozens, not to mention their height, weight, traits and skill moves.
Then dozens off team formations and tactic permutations etc etc
Much easier 😁. I totally get where you’re coming from on this post. I’ve felt the exact same way for a while now, and it’s even why I made a game ideas list on a separate page on the forum!
But I couldn’t agree more with @mariohomoh and @ScarDuck14.
It is certainly very important that you let these things go.
Because whilst you, me, and lots of the community are struggling to understand/come to terms with the way the F1 game is being made, at the end of the day, there are countless other options for super-fun games you can play that won’t make you feel this way.
At this stage it seems like this is just something that EA/CM are going to have to deal with, to try and stop people abandoning the game so quickly.I hope you understand where I’m coming from on this one.
Thanks.
@LuckyNico92 wrote:
@Ultrasonic_77I know that, and I don't play FIFA Ultimate Team. But FIFA is a football (soccer for you Americans) game, and it's fairly simple to develop. Just create a pitch, put 22 players on it, add a physics engine to it, attach game rules, done. And even if it's so simple and repetitive, it's still fun to play.
F1 on the other hand is much more complex than FIFA. You need to develop tracks, AI, handling, car models, liveries, etc, etc. And EA always looks over AI and handling, two of the most crucial parts about an F1 game, which are important to make Single Player fun to play. For two years now, I can't play on Expert difficulty (80) because the combination of overpowered AI and drifty handling makes every race literally a nightmare. I can't play Two Player Career properly because EA doesn't maintenance the servers to make sure they run correctly when two players far away from each other connect. I can't play online with fun because all players are taking each other out. And worse, my patience is wearing down quickly, and soon, my brain will just blow up like an F1 engine when it suffers a mechanical failure.
Seriously, the only chance that EA has is to release the chains from Codemasters and let them do their work, otherwise, we will never see any good F1 game again.Not meaning to sound rude but your knowledge of how games are developed cannot be boiled down to "Just create a pitch, put 22 players on it, add a physics engine to it, attach game rules, done."
There's plenty to do -
Code AI of players when not controlled by real life player.
Control behaviour of each position of said player and how they interact when the ball is in possession, out of possession
AI of players reacting to each mentality
Physics of the ball, physics of the ball due to certain pitch conditions
Collision physics
Cloth physics
Hair physics
Dribbling physics
Shooting physics
How attributes interact with every action completed by players/AI.
This doesn't sound very simple to me and with that I would expect bugs to crop up, as in any game.
You may not like EA as a developer but it is disrespectful diminishing the work of the coders crunching to meet tight deadlines because of the expectancy of a yearly release.
@TotosHeadphones wrote:
@LuckyNico92 wrote:
@Ultrasonic_77I know that, and I don't play FIFA Ultimate Team. But FIFA is a football (soccer for you Americans) game, and it's fairly simple to develop. Just create a pitch, put 22 players on it, add a physics engine to it, attach game rules, done. And even if it's so simple and repetitive, it's still fun to play.
F1 on the other hand is much more complex than FIFA. You need to develop tracks, AI, handling, car models, liveries, etc, etc. And EA always looks over AI and handling, two of the most crucial parts about an F1 game, which are important to make Single Player fun to play. For two years now, I can't play on Expert difficulty (80) because the combination of overpowered AI and drifty handling makes every race literally a nightmare. I can't play Two Player Career properly because EA doesn't maintenance the servers to make sure they run correctly when two players far away from each other connect. I can't play online with fun because all players are taking each other out. And worse, my patience is wearing down quickly, and soon, my brain will just blow up like an F1 engine when it suffers a mechanical failure.
Seriously, the only chance that EA has is to release the chains from Codemasters and let them do their work, otherwise, we will never see any good F1 game again.Not meaning to sound rude but your knowledge of how games are developed cannot be boiled down to "Just create a pitch, put 22 players on it, add a physics engine to it, attach game rules, done."
There's plenty to do -
Code AI of players when not controlled by real life player.
Control behaviour of each position of said player and how they interact when the ball is in possession, out of possession
AI of players reacting to each mentality
Physics of the ball, physics of the ball due to certain pitch conditions
Collision physics
Cloth physics
Hair physics
Dribbling physics
Shooting physics
How attributes interact with every action completed by players/AI.
This doesn't sound very simple to me and with that I would expect bugs to crop up, as in any game.
You may not like EA as a developer but it is disrespectful diminishing the work of the coders crunching to meet tight deadlines because of the expectancy of a yearly release.
Thankyou for covering everything I missed in great detail as per usual. I hate being the dumbest on the board😂
- @ScarDuck14 Haha, to be fair you had said what I said but I didn't see it because this site doesn't work nice with mobile browsers!
I’m gunna say it again… F1 Championship Edition(Single player) is still hasn’t been surpassed.
