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Part of the media likes to give individual driver ratings per performance. AMuS, F1i, crash.net and Planet F1. Obviously not at all representative of the whole circus and circle of pundits, but AMuS is legendary & solid and Planet F1 is a household name in F1 coverage. Anyway, their aggregate for the current season:
Autosport.com and The Race used to be included in these ratings too.
Personally I rate Norris higher than Bottas talent wise, easily. But on actual performance and in this season I find it hard to pick a clear winner as Bottas has surpassed expectations.
@mariohomoh I agree that Bottas did well so far but his comparison is a rookie that was getting third in F2 as the 2nd most experienced driver (over the course of the whole season) which is not very impressive.
In the end almost all ratings are not having the car out of the equation. See Albon getting points in the clearly worst car still only rated a 8.4-8.8 or Vettel in the 2nd worst car getting points in Monaco gives him a 7.5..
The car makes over 95% of the result and the drivers pace less than 1% for good drivers. We will never agree on which driver is a tenth quicker or not but the overall opinion you get from commentators etc. is Alfa slightly ahead of McLaren. Thats also what Norris said after Miami but drivers and team principles are not a reliable source..
In the end almost all ratings are not having the car out of the equation. See Albon getting points in the clearly worst car still only rated a 8.4-8.8 or Vettel in the 2nd worst car getting points in Monaco gives him a 7.5..
The car makes over 95% of the result and the drivers pace less than 1% for good drivers. We will never agree on which driver is a tenth quicker or not but the overall opinion you get from commentators etc. is Alfa slightly ahead of McLaren. Thats also what Norris said after Miami but drivers and team principles are not a reliable source..
@Meza994 wrote:
@mariohomohI agree that Bottas did well so far but his comparison is a rookie that was getting third in F2 as the 2nd most experienced driver (over the course of the whole season) which is not very impressive.
In the end almost all ratings are not having the car out of the equation. See Albon getting points in the clearly worst car still only rated a 8.4-8.8 or Vettel in the 2nd worst car getting points in Monaco gives him a 7.5..
The car makes over 95% of the result and the drivers pace less than 1% for good drivers. We will never agree on which driver is a tenth quicker or not but the overall opinion you get from commentators etc. is Alfa slightly ahead of McLaren. Thats also what Norris said after Miami but drivers and team principles are not a reliable source..I agree it is pointless guessing who is 0.1 or 0.2 seconds faster. It is impossible and all things are never identical.
And that was not my point in my previous post. I just commented your quick evidence based on half a season last year. I do not personally care, who is tenth faster and who isn't, but I think Bottas usually gets a lot of negative opinions he doesn't deserve. Great driver like usually all of them and much faster than any of us 😃
- @gizt7 Thats the thing, just because one says he is worse than another it doesnt need to mean he is bad at all! I was just giving a few examples for saying Bottas is worse than Norris, not saying thats the only reasoning or that Bottas is bad. Compare any driver to Sennas qualifying pace and it will be 99.999% of the time X is worse than Senna, doesnt mean it has any ill will behind it :P
Bottas has his strengths, competing with really good drivers but his true problem is racecraft. He has really good quali pace (beating 13 drivers on the current grid) and more midfield race pace (comparable to Albon, Gasly, Ocon) but this doesnt make him a bad driver at all and especially from the midfield to the top 5 the gaps are minimal - @gizt7 agreed. And people so very often conflate different things in the same debate. Driver talent? Driver performance? Driver performance accounting for incidents and team errors?
It'd be easier if people agreed on fixed goalposts before kicking off the discussion.
Back to NOR v BOT, as I said I believe that Norris is clearly the better overall driver talent wise and I can get behind saying he is performing better than Valtteri this season too, but this last comparison (2022 performance) can easily go both ways in my opinion.
I think it's quite the stretch to say that there's a clear winner in this face-off for 2022.
@mariohomoh wrote:
@gizt7agreed. And people so very often conflate different things in the same debate. Driver talent? Driver performance? Driver performance accounting for incidents and team errors?
It'd be easier if people agreed on fixed goalposts before kicking off the discussion.
Back to NOR v BOT, as I said I believe that Norris is clearly the better overall driver talent wise and I can get behind saying he is performing better than Valtteri this season too, but this last comparison (2022 performance) can easily go both ways in my opinion.
I think it's quite the stretch to say that there's a clear winner in this face-off for 2022.Agreed. But Norris has so much more potential to
improve. Where as i cant see Bottas getting past the level he’s at now.
- @ajobling1983 See no reason for that "but", mate. That statement gets a 100% agreement rating from me haha
@mariohomoh wrote:
@ajobling1983See no reason for that "but", mate. That statement gets a 100% agreement rating from me haha
Haha sorry, didn’t mean to sound abrupt 😂
