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Meza994
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago

Re: David Greco's Handling, Driving and Setup Q&A (?)

@ActuallyImJulie Just out of curiousity, you are using even the wet qualifying session speed traps for your average top speed delta?

Im actually not liking the way they approach the individual car performance and therefore top speed but i totally understand why they choose the much more subtle than realistic approach. For example on most tracks with a dry qualifying Red Bull would be at least 5-8 kph faster than Ferrari IRL but in the game its 2-3 kph. Until their Upgrade in France McLaren were most often clear at the back of the field and often 10 kph slower than the fastest (Alpine or Red Bull most often) yet ingame they are 5 kph slower only..

The tendency is correct for most cars but id prefer it be more extreme and for certain cars that tend to either be low drag compared to others or average downforce (like Alpine sometimes very high top speed and sometimes using more downforce) id like them rather go to extreme setups, yes for certain tracks it will be off for the AI but the player can always emulate the real life setup choices, so go with higher downforce at france with Alpine or very low drag with Aston Martin in Baku.. However i understand why Codemasters chose not to go that route because e.g. McLaren players would complain a lot about what players are already complaing about - catching the other cars in the corners but being nowhere on the straights.. Some cars are like that IRL so its fine for me but Codies chose to support the average player more which is totally understandable.. But always only taking the absolute average wont give truly realistic results in quite a few cases..

Regarding the rest of your post, Aston Martin has quite a lot more downforce than Williams, but therefore also more drag, ingame this is rather the other way around.. The true characteristics like the insane mechanical grip of Ferrari and Red Bull (like in Baku and Monaco) are rarely replicated ingame its all very subtle for the reasons above most likely

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  • @Meza994 I was including wet qualifying, but I've just made a separate average without them. The delta between average top speeds got even smaller when excluding them, though the order did change around. I don't use speed traps btw, I'm using telemetry. I don't trust the speedtrap to capture the actual top speed, since the placement isn't always right at the end of a straight.

    I'm using an average because it was more usable with early data, it wasn't possible to compare like for like at a lot of circuits, as the teams brought different configurations. It might be possible now, though I'd still like to wait for Monza before diving in the deep end. 

    I guess it's more fair to say I'm happy how the top speeds are, given the data avilable when the patch came out, and when considering the lack of accuracy in previous years.

    Here's the spreadsheet I'm working from, in case you want to compare notes. Ignore the race top speed, I'm probably gonna re-do those.

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    Meza994
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago

    @ActuallyImJulieWell one problem i see immediately is Monaco, should never be considered with the rest of the data as they never reach top speed in Monaco, Ferrari with their better engine and better grip around Monaco will obviously be much closer and in a crazy lap by Leclerc getting a great exit even faster than Red Bull..

    The second problem i see is which straight you take at places like Miami.. 2 long straights which get different top speed deltas as the ERS deployment and harvesting is different..

    Next the situation of which qualifying session is taken for it? At tracks like Baku which point of time - at the start of the lap or end of the lap? Always checked for Slipstream etc.?

    So just as an example the official F1TV telemetry gives a 10+ kph difference in top speed for Q3 between Leclerc and Verstappen while this was different in other sessions, some of this is caused by slipstream but not 7-8 kph compared to your data (all at Baku)..

    So in theory your approach is quite good but from what i can tell so far it has too many variables..

    And omg Williams 320 in Hungary? That one was heavily influenced by Hamilton in front of Albon or Russel in front of Latifi.. Verstappen same session 312 top speed as well.. Just trying to show the weakpoints of it, not criticizing you personally 🙂

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