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mariohomoh's avatar
mariohomoh
Hero (Retired)
3 years ago

Re: Switching from Controller to Logitech G920!

Get that rig set up properly! Haha specially the pedals, set them right so that neither the pedals nor your chair skids away when braking. That will work wonders on your consistency.

Potentially impopular opinion: Logitech brakes get flak online for being too stiff. Indeed they are, and, for how much I love kicking soft or not-so-soft bellies (and the occasional elbows) in other hobbies of mine, even I had a sore leg while getting used to it in the first days. It uses potentiometers to gauge the braking input, meaning it reads pedal travel and translate that into braking in-game, while high end pedal sets use load cells, working similarly to a real car: it's the amount of force you press the pedal with that will determine how much braking force the calipers apply to the wheels - no matter how much pedal travel you got.

Those high end pedals? They're graded to 90-100kgf. Meaning of you use it on the full scale, it needs 100kg of force to register 100% braking input. Obviously that's adjustable and a good chunk of users with 100kgf load cell brakes will set their gear to 60-80kgf max, but you get the gist.

Never measured it myself, but Logitech G29/G920 brake pedal is said to take 20kgf to top out. That's way less in comparison.

Even though it is position-based, so not as great of a tech (it's easier to be consistent on force-based pedals), on the longer run I personally believe you're better off getting used to the stock pedal. You'll absolutely need to brace the pedal set properly as I said, and it does take time, but I would not be able to trail brake properly if I were to map the clutch pedal for braking or the like like you see people recommending online 🙃 

Unfortunately the FFB on a wheel is subpar on this game. There's no way to replicate the fun, engaging, informative and actionable feedback it has on a controller. I play mostly on a PS5 and I often find it more enjoyable to play on the Dualsense than on my wheel.

If I'm to get my wheel stand out, it's most likely to play ACC or even GT7.

If the subjects interests you, check this video by Aris:

He's the main physics and handling designer for ACC. Mind you, this video is long as Aris is thorough, but it's only the first part that's pertinent. He goes over the numerous ways you can design the FFB in a racing game. As it stands, there's no proper fix for the lack of actionable information on what's going on with your rear axle.

Actually, there is: headphones. The audio design by Brad Porter is commendable in F1 22, even more so if you switch to the Driver/Helmet mix - don't recall the name. People give the franchise a hard time about how the engine doesn't always sound like the TV broadcast, but the audio feedback is solid! With time you'll adapt to have the game audio cueing you in on your rear axle traction situation instead of your hands.

Pinging some helpful wheel fellas: @TotosHeadphones @dancrodrigues 

7 Replies

  • svensen86's avatar
    svensen86
    3 years ago

    Welcome to the wheel sektion 😁 buy a race stand mate,easy to Set up and proper to use and to store!

    Further,the Standard pedals are crap,you would need proper ones to use the brake Pedal right. I have TM , i don't know if Logitec offers this as well. It is a total different driving if you use "pro" pedals where you can setup the springs how hard you want to push the brake. Enjoy your new experience! 

  • TotosHeadphones's avatar
    TotosHeadphones
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago

    @mariohomohhas given you some great pointers there. It really is recommended to get a stand to keep everything sturdy and in place, which then lends to dealing with the the brake pedal. They are known to be incredibly stiff but there a few ways to get around this without having to buy a whole new set of pedals which is quite an expense for a good set. It's always the first thing that is suggested but people forget that there is budget involved.

    The first route is modding the pedals and replacing the springs with a different spring. Cheap and easy to do but this voids your warranty. There's also a rubber block in the pedal cylinder to imitate a load cell/resistance brake system which can also be removed but once again this voids the warranty. Additionally, the pedals have a programmed brake curve, so changing to either mod will cause you to lose some resolution so you may have to change the linearity in the settings.

    The second route is to build up your muscle memory and strength in your legs and get used to the pedals, something suggested by @mariohomoh . But as said you'll need a proper stand to anchor it all down to. In hindsight I may have just stuck to the original pedal without mods and ploughed on building the memory but I would have made one change; worn trainers! Just by doing that you can place far more pressure into the pedals. I think that is sometimes overlooked as I was wearing soft soled footwear or sometimes socks.

    When it comes to feeling the back end slip out, what helped me most was turning the wheel damper to 5 and Understeer enhance On (which many people don't like). With the back stepping out, the lack of grip in the front is exaggerated and the feedback in the wheel goes light. With the wheel damper being set so low you can countersteer and catch the car far easier as there's very little resistance in the wheel. Not sure if that helps but when in was playing F1 that's how I got the most out of the wheel. Hope that helps.

  • mariohomoh's avatar
    mariohomoh
    Hero (Retired)
    3 years ago

    @TotosHeadphones what I use:

    Socks with anti-skid patches. Cost me less than 2 dollars 🤌

    Easy to find and come in many forms. Anti slip socks, yoga socks, pilates socks... 

    Grippier than just socks by a mile whole still keeping all that ease of use.

    People often recommend water shoes too:

    If I ever upgrade to a load cell and socks stop doing it for me, that's probably what I'll get as they're inexpensive, lightweight and breathable. 

  • TotosHeadphones's avatar
    TotosHeadphones
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago
    @mariohomoh I missed this. I use something similar. I actually used aquasocks for a bit as the grip was good but the sole needs to be a tad bit harder. Only a few pounds too
  • dancrodrigues's avatar
    dancrodrigues
    3 years ago

    @TotosHeadphones just regular socks here but I got used to push my big toe over the top of the pedal plate to assure the foot is placed correctly.

    ~techniques~ hahaha

  • biboto's avatar
    biboto
    3 years ago
    @mariohomoh @TotosHeadphones @dancrodrigues Thanks so much for all these tips and info you guys and everyone. I didn't have much time to play the past couple of days and got a little frustrated with the pedals sliding around so I ordered a Next Level Racer wheel stand which should arrive in a few days. Can't wait.

    I did however try switching the brake to the clutch which kind of helped, I'll experiment with that and look into all the suggestions here.

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