Re: Wet Weather Is The Worst I've Ever Experienced

I have no issues with this game at all, nothing that hours of practice won't fix, however, I hate wet races, the reason being is I need every advantage I can get as far as being competitive goes.

Unfortunately I struck a wet race in Australia during my championship and thought here we go this is not going to be good, but lets try. 1st practice was a full wet tire situation  and the AI was only 8 seconds slower than race pace, I had no hope of matching that. I thought at the time that it was a bit odd, how can they be so fast in the wet, it was pouring down and hardly any visibility at all, so I thought stuff this I'm outa here, after crashing out horribly........on to the next one.......

The biggest problems about the wet weather in this games are:

- The player (still) does NOT have the option to turn wet races OFF in career modes (something we've been asking for years)..

- The AI can keep their tyre temps at the ideal range just fine, while the player's tyres will get too cold or too hot, making it even harder to keep control of the car and be competitive (it happens on dry races too, but it gets even worse in wet weather)..

- The weather forecast is never 100% accurate, even when you set it to be 'perfect' on game settings (I know even in real life we can never predict it perfectly, but the difference between what the forecast says and what actually happens is too damn big, it's almost impossible to plan your race strategy properly)..

Other than that, I personally never liked to drive in the rain, in any game - I know some people love to slide around the track, but I honestly hate to fight my own car just to keep it on track, driving on 'ice', instead of just battling the other cars on track, etc, so.. it would be great to just have the OPTION and the CHOICE to turn that on or off (wet races on career modes), but it sucks when you're forced to drive in those conditions and the car control (and AI BS) are terrible - and again: I KNOW "you don't have the option to turn wet weather off in real life - bla bla bla", but this is a GAME, which gives us tons of unrealistic options, so.. why not giving us this one too? No biggy, right?

=)

For me there is something very satisfying about completing a race in the wet, you need 100% concentration and need to control the throttle when accelerating, short shifting through the gears until you get the traction. I really enjoyed wet races in F1 2021 as the AI were at a competitive level and I could usually finish in the points.

But every wet race/qualifying I’ve done in F1 22 has been almost impossible to compete. I was 3s a lap slower in Brazil when conditions changed from intermediate to full wet but the AI stayed on intermediate tyres and I just had a wet qualifying in Brazil again where I finished 20th. The traction they were getting out of some of the corners was like it was still dry. The performance difference is so great that you start doubting yourself and stop enjoying the game.

I think a large part of this is the AI using surface temperatures only so their tyres are always in the perfect window but they’re also way to OP in the wet.

@VibrantMass616  and @ScarDuck14 well the AI dont use surface temps at all, they only use carcass temps and are fixed to them once reached - i havent tested if i can influence how fast they heat up..

However even with carcass temps turned off you will struggle compared to the AI because the perfect grip for full wets for example is 65°-85° and even with highest pressure you will only reach 65° surface temps with high speed (over 300kph) or while cornering a medium speed corner.. However the drop off below 65° is not bad till below 55°.. 55° is still 99.5% grip but 50° already 98% grip which just adds to it.

Of course the AI also has the advantage of build in traction control - they can be perfect on traction and need to be fine tuned to make more little on throttle mistakes with increased wetness, not like spinning out but just overdoing it slightly or not going enough throttle so they dont exit a corner perfectly, every little bit makes it better..

And one point that i personally think is a major point for driving in the wet being unpleasant is the balance between front to rear. So from what i know on average the balance between front to rear  (oversteer-understeer) goes to rear (understeer) the softer the tyres. Which is why they sometimes change the front wing angle mid race not because of drivers complaining about balance - which happens often enoguh - but because they go on a harder tyre (like soft to hard) and feel more comfortable like that.. Now Wet and intermediates are way softer than even the C5 (in theory) so they should be much more understeery and they are in high load situations theres almost a 20% grip difference between rear to front at maximum load. However at minimum loads the difference is only 2.5% so much less understeery! Thats affecting the most traction zones and lets us struggle for grip! So this balance needs to be changed to improve our experience IMO.

One thing that also helps is decreasing the front wing by a huge amount so you get a better balance that way but that will be too much in high speed cornering! But yeah the tyre balance + AI traction zone "mistakes" would be the first steps id advice, surface temps for inters and wets might also be something to look at or just give us more depth to play with so carcass influences surface too and have brake temps play their real role so we can go for 0 brake cooling in the wet and have our brakes explode once it dries up😝 buuut im beginning to dream of what could be again haha

I had a race which went from intermediate conditions to full wet and the Ai stayed out on intermediates without losing any tyre temperature or time whereas I didn’t have the traction to drive fast enough to keep any temperature in my tyres so was over 3s a lap slower.

Well, as everyone can see, the main issues about the wet races are all related to 2 of the 3 things I mentioned before:

- The player (still) does NOT have the option to turn wet races OFF in career modes (something we've been asking for years)..

- The AI can keep their tyre temps at the ideal range just fine, while the player's tyres will get too cold or too hot, making it even harder to keep control of the car and be competitive (it happens on dry races too, but it gets even worse in wet weather)..

Plus how OP the AIs still are in the game, in so many aspects, where they are programmed to ignore the 'game physics rules' and do things the player just can't..

Also as I said, I understand there are people who actually like to drive/compete in the wet and that's fine, but we should REALLY have the option to turn wet weather OFF for the career modes, so the big number of players who doesn't like to drive/compete in the wet and the other AI related issues could be avoided.

I honestly hope they give us this option at least in future games (although I think they should - and could - add it NOW to F1 22 already)..

@ScarDuck14 @Meza994 @VibrantMass616 
@jenny_a_m @EA_Kent 

Last years game it rained far to often.  But at least I could race the ai without changing the ai or assists to be competitive.  

This year it hardly rains which is great… But when I start a race weekend and see rain.  My first thought is to simulate the race.. but no I carry on as usual and get to the race and wished  I simulated the race before crashing out on purpose 

If the race starts dry and changes to wet you can always adjust the race distance so you only get the dry part.

I am definitely using surface temperatures only for any race or qualifying session in the wet now, it’s the only wat to compete at the same level as the AI.