Simple suggestion and as rule changes made it into F1 Manager 2022 (although the total spectrum isnt known yet but refueling seems to fit to the known) FOM shouldnt be too big of a problem.My idea is to bring back refueling, no mandatory tires, no point for the fastest lap, points for pole position or double points for final race to the game if the player is feeling like mixing it up.There are good reasons to ban refueling IRL but in a game it actually opens up a lot of strategy especially with DRS making overtaking easier! AI would only need a strategy rework (they need it anyway) and add a lot of variety in turn. 3 compounds to choose from would help a lot too, go for an aggressive low fuel 3 stop with mainly softs? Less fuel = less tyre wear and you might fly every lap and have DRS to make the overtakes. Or go very conservative with a lot of fuel hard to medium, no blistering laptimes but far less struggling with overtaking!No mandatory tires? Try a No stop on hards or go agressive on 1 stop medium to medium?All of these can add something (although i gotta admit i would really love refueling haha)All available for grand prix mode and as an option for career modes from 2nd season onwards. Potentially even changes to qualifying format or practice sessions but that one would be more difficult to get the FOM to accept (and implement into the game).Whats the opinion of others on this? (Yes Mario, i know youd rather have suspension and tyre temps😜)

@Uzimaster_F1OKinda, its not a simulation its a simcade, made to be close to real life but still fun.Otherwise you wouldnt be able to overtake any car without major problems last year, your tires would have overheated the second you try to go full beans on full tank..Dont get me wrong, ideally they would implement all the rules you named, my ideas and get the simulation side of the game a lot more developed. But if we get anything at all ill be happy looking at F1 World and Bad Story Point 2 costing a lot of dev time for 2023.. Personally i prefer time put into things that will affect the gameplay a lot, not things that i will encounter once every 1 or 2 seasons.. But yeah all of it would be an improvement and i fear none of it will make it due to too little time available :/

@Hempyjr So the game only starts if you take off all your jewelry and piercings?🤔 Forced cockpit view too because IRL drivers cant sit ontop of the car?😂Its a game buddy, meant to be fun and you rather want it to not add any replayability values that arent exactly like current rule set😂 I really dont mean to be mean but it will always stay a game, meant for entertainment. Would you want the game to be a total shitshow if it should be a shitshow IRL? At least i hope not :P

@Meza994 If it's a game it doesn't mean that it has to be completely off from reality, it can be fun too with more real life rules like red flags, unlaping yourself, pit line starts, etc etc. Even if it's a shitshow in real life,you either are a fan or not, no need for suggestions from 20 years ago. I hope you don't take it personally or something, but they are from 20 years ago 🙂

Geez, so many paragraphs! I'll dip my toes and run away:I think it's a slight misconception to paint simcade as "realistic but still fun". The arcadey aspect usually is meant for accessibility or casual play, it's not because a true sim would make for an unfun game.How Codemasters invest so much dev time with assists, different configuration presets for different skill levels, and in-game tutorials, that's to keep the barrier of entry low enough. How Codemasters tone down certain mechanics like dirty air, that's to keep the game engaging for casual players.I think the reasoning behind banning refueling is generally accepted as being twofold? Safety and to do away with passes happening in the pits instead of in the tracks. The latter was significant because it's relatively easier to build a car that's capable of doing well with light loads, so the lap times would bunch up in close clusters. Now, a car that manages to output good performance whether it's under heavy loads or with a light tank... Different story. If it worked or not is another matter. Just pointing out that there were two horses in that race, if I'm not mistaken.That said, refueling as a rule change you can vote for in the regs of career mode would be neat. I would probably vote against it in my save even still haha! As an alternative game mode, I don't think it would be feasible. We didn't even get properly scaled tyre wear for rance length and anything that touches the AI can easily snowball to a mammothian resource sinkhole, I'd honestly prefer that time and resources were spent improving the physics and handling of the game.The fact that it isn't in the current regs for the sport don't really play a role in how I see it. Having refueling sanctioned in a career save against your will could very well spicy things up when you're deep in season 4 or 5 and it's way less gamey and simply disable random upgrades on the R&D tree.So it would be nice, but I'd have other priorities if it were up to me.

@Meza994 Haha different guys but still bound by the same budget! Bigger slice for the guys working out the refuelling means less cake for Greco and his team.

Refueling and other regulation changes in future titles?

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Uzimaster_F1O
4 years ago
before you ask about "fun rules" the official rules should be implemented as they are in real life 😉
Meza994
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@Uzimaster_F1O Unlapping behind safety car or what are you referring to?
Uzimaster_F1O
4 years ago
This, Red Flags with standing or rolling restars, possibility to box before the start and so on.
Meza994
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@Uzimaster_F1O Red flags yes but Codemasters for some reason absolutely dont want it.. Unlapping is super rare in general for most player and boxing before the start would require a weather system that makes it necessary and even then it would be super rare.. Would be nice but putting effort into super rare things is fairly pointless
Uzimaster_F1O
4 years ago
Codemaster don't want to implement the offical rules in a offical f1 game? that's the key here.
with this in mind we could allow to use hands in fifa, because it's only a game and not a simulation 🙂
i think we are on the same page ... i'm with you, that your proposal could be fun and nice for some fun races but the simulation of the real f1 should be the priority.
Meza994
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@Uzimaster_F1OKinda, its not a simulation its a simcade, made to be close to real life but still fun.

Otherwise you wouldnt be able to overtake any car without major problems last year, your tires would have overheated the second you try to go full beans on full tank..

Dont get me wrong, ideally they would implement all the rules you named, my ideas and get the simulation side of the game a lot more developed. But if we get anything at all ill be happy looking at F1 World and Bad Story Point 2 costing a lot of dev time for 2023.. Personally i prefer time put into things that will affect the gameplay a lot, not things that i will encounter once every 1 or 2 seasons.. But yeah all of it would be an improvement and i fear none of it will make it due to too little time available :/
Hempyjr
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
Good suggestions, you forgot to add the suggestion with an F1 car with rocket engines so we can fly in space and try to overtake USS Enterprise 🙌
They should implement real life rules, not rules from 20 years ago...we are in 2022 tro...
Meza994
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@Hempyjr So the game only starts if you take off all your jewelry and piercings?🤔 Forced cockpit view too because IRL drivers cant sit ontop of the car?😂

Its a game buddy, meant to be fun and you rather want it to not add any replayability values that arent exactly like current rule set😂 I really dont mean to be mean but it will always stay a game, meant for entertainment. Would you want the game to be a total shitshow if it should be a shitshow IRL? At least i hope not :P
Hempyjr
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@Meza994 If it's a game it doesn't mean that it has to be completely off from reality, it can be fun too with more real life rules like red flags, unlaping yourself, pit line starts, etc etc. Even if it's a shitshow in real life,you either are a fan or not, no need for suggestions from 20 years ago. I hope you don't take it personally or something, but they are from 20 years ago 🙂
Meza994
Seasoned Ace
4 years ago
@Hempyjr Actually they are from 30 years ago if you wanna be a smart *😂 and left the sport 13 years ago.

I just find your logic very weird. By that they should get rid of MyTeam and potentially annual regulation changes as they are not happening like that IRL. Successful privateer teams are not a thing for like 50 years (winning a championship) and FIA usually doesnt change rules majorly every other year. Tiny changes like only rear downforce or such would be the realistic option.

Only because something is old it doesnt mean its bad or shouldnt make a return (at least ingame). Ground effects proved that :P

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