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ScarDuck14's avatar
ScarDuck14
Legend
3 years ago

The devs that chat with us and the devs who don’t.

All though there are Still some issues relating to the devs who chat with us.  They are far less  and mainly minor. And they are  working on them

Compared to the devs that don’t.

 Ai  adopts a different bonkers mental personality every few laps.  To win  F1 races number one. Being able to balance your pace while  sing consistent lap after lap.   I like stress I’ve ai. But controlled aggression it’s F1 Not NFS shift 1 or 2:

And career and my team modes have got worse every year for last 3.  How’s that possible.  Because they don’t chat and ask those off us who play those modes day to day.

Was watching a you tuber who’s opinion I’ve come to respect.  And I think he has a point when he says Codemasters how and why Theh don’t ask those in community who play every day.  But from what he sees the only ones to ever get  approached are those who sensationalise their content and  add maximum fluff for added clickbait.  

And I’m not suggesting we know better than the devs. We don’t we just play.  Games shouldn’t be designed by hardcore players.  As it would have a negative effect as Average casual gamers  would  buy or play is.

Just that we notice what is obviously not right:   

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  • OatmealB0wl's avatar
    OatmealB0wl
    Seasoned Hotshot
    3 years ago

    I think we need to account that for liability, individual skillset, and resource allocation reasons, they probably don't want every dev interacting with the public on these kinds of forums.

    Community interaction almost certainly takes training.  Community managers need to know exactly what they can/can't say and write very precisely.  Even when the wording of their statements is 99% clear, the community will often still run with an incorrect and uncharitable interpretation (see: dozens of people falsely repeating that we wouldn't get a patch from 1.05 until mid-August).  So it takes a level of awareness and a bit of "lawyer brain" to understand exactly what you are promising and acknowledging to the community.

    Then, do we really want more devs spending less time on the technical side of development?  Having a handful of community liaisons who can summarize community feedback and roll it up to the decision makers is going to lead to more efficient operation.  Yes, I would absolutely love having a directly line to the devs, telling them exactly what irks me, and having one sympathize with me and prioritize my feedback.  But that would lead to anarchy.  I can't pretend to know how Codemasters is structured internally, but when they manage an annual release in addition to their other franchises, it's essential to have a pipeline to take issues from user reports, to backlog, to WIP, to resolved, to QA, to approved, to release.

    tl;dr Devs need a community manager just like NASA needs a CAPCOM.

  • KVNR01's avatar
    KVNR01
    3 years ago
    @ScarDuck14 From what I've seen from the release I have to wonder how many beta testers CM/EA used for this game.

    My guess is not enough.

    Also, IMO YouTubers are not beta testers per se. They wan't the game so they can pump out a ton of content early and get clicks, views, subs. It's not their goal to stress test the game or pick it apart. In fact they have almost are incentivized not to as they don't want to ruffle feather and not get included on the next years pre-release.

  • ScarDuck14's avatar
    ScarDuck14
    Legend
    3 years ago
    @KVNR01 Don’t mind you tubers testing as aarava tips for starting my team mode is exactly same as I suggest: But my team and career modes apparently don’t get beta tested. When it comes to you tubers. As longs they don’t get to give their suggestions as to what they think would be better in the game.

    E-sports pro guys are awesome sim racers. But things they would suggest would probably make it harder for the average player.

    And Marduk is growing on me. But aarava he’s so wanting to be the EA go to guy. Makes him clickbait first game second imo.
  • PrimevalLivyatan's avatar
    PrimevalLivyatan
    Rising Traveler
    3 years ago

    Tbh the eSports guys opinions shouldn't be listened to all that much.
    They don't care about improving the handling (for example) for everyone, just about how they can break the game with stupid setups and track abuse to get ridiculous times.

    For example... 100% on-throttle diff (unless something changed recently), 50% brake bias and completely ridiculous suspension settings. OR the amount of times the car is almost completely off the track going into/out of corners, including the silly bit of driving down the astroturf between No Name and Pouhon at Spa.

    NONE of which is a thing in the sport the game CLAIMS to be "authentically" representing.

    Imo Codemasters needs to take a year off and the game needs to have a complete ground up rebuild from scratch with Unreal... they can still keep the casual F1 racers and still cater for the more hardcore crowd with cars, handling and setups that make sense.

    some may agree with or not, I don't really care, but that's my 2 cents.

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