Time difference various tyre compounds
Hi all Finally made a start with my first career on F1 ‘22. So also the first time I ever encountered Medium and Hard tyres. As you can imagine, bit of a shock going around Bahrain. 😱 No front grip...
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@ScarDuck14 Okay then its good to do so but arent you overheating in the race? Forget it, just remembered you play with only surface temps😅
@Meza994 Yup race I can go higher cause I don’t use carcass. So much easier to manage 😁.
- @ScarDuck14 Yeah haha for me its always the other way around, lower the pressure for the race so the carcass doesnt overheat😂
- @Meza994 If I played against humans I’d keep carcass on. But don’t see the point when racing the Ai as they don’t. Not going to unnecessarily handicap myself.
- @ScarDuck14 Fully understandable buddy! They gotta make the AI be affected by surface temps and have realistic carcass temps behaviour in F1 23..
@ScarDuck14 wrote:
@Meza994If I played against humans I’d keep carcass on. But don’t see the point when racing the Ai as they don’t. Not going to unnecessarily handicap myself.I strongly hope in F1 23 we will have some kind of carcass temp for AI too, or I may decide to do the same as you... This year I'm using carcass but yes, I need to lower pressure and I'm less competitive in race pace with (S) tyres. I cannot be 100% all depend on this but in my GP mode 'battle' (Leclerc VS Verstappen) after 17 GPs I have an average of 104,4 AI in Qualifying (P 2,8) and 101,7 in Race (P 2,0)
@ScarDuck14 wrote:
@Meza994If I played against humans I’d keep carcass on. But don’t see the point when racing the Ai as they don’t. Not going to unnecessarily handicap myself.Are you struggling with carcass temps? 😳 Since patch it’s really not a problem to keep it under control. Now it’s the surface what matters and pushing it above 117C can greatly reduce cornering ability.
- @Blackbird90 No I’m not. But what I was struggling with is the Ai only have surface temps on. So why would I put carcass on if they don’t?
@ScarDuck14I think i was being a smart * about this already but the AI dont have any surface temp simulation at all.. (im 99% sure and gonna test in a second lol) they are not affected by any surface temps and hardcoded to certain carcass temps
Edit: AI is actually affected by surface temps.. But in a fairly small window, no comparison to the player, possibly equally fixed like the carcass temps
Thanks all. I’ll have a look when I can have my next racing session.
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@ScarDuck14 wrote:
@Meza994If I played against humans I’d keep carcass on. But don’t see the point when racing the Ai as they don’t. Not going to unnecessarily handicap myself.@ScarDuck14 , question - does turning off carcass temps help with tyre wear compared to having surface and carcass? Recently I find it much easier to spin in the middle of a stint e.g. Bahrain 50% race length in MyTeam season 1, with tyre and carcass temps on. I was suggested S-M as a strategy, pit on lap 10. 4 laps in I find the grip going even though tyre temps are always green for both tyre and carcass. Thoughts?
@Nuvolarix wrote:
@ScarDuck14 wrote:
@Meza994If I played against humans I’d keep carcass on. But don’t see the point when racing the Ai as they don’t. Not going to unnecessarily handicap myself.I strongly hope in F1 23 we will have some kind of carcass temp for AI too
100%
@Monzstar83Still have to be careful with surface temps in the corners. Just makes overall tyre temp manageable especially on high temp circuits.
I’m wondering if your pressures are too high perhaps. I could in theory run max pressures to get maximum rare length out of them. But I don’t as I still look to keep surface temps las low as possible. Think if you exceed 115 degrees you lose traction. I bow to @Meza994 on this though
@ScarDuck14 wrote:
I’m wondering if your pressures are too high perhaps.This is the thing though - I set them as high as I can without overheating, my tyres rarely go over 90, so perhaps under-pressured? Bahrain though I’m running all 1 notch from the max pressure available IIRC. Perhaps I can do a race with them as they are and another with them on max, track on telemetry app. Perhaps this can give me a better indication.
- @Monzstar83 I’m not really the best to ask on this as I’ve been running surface only for so long now I can’t remember what it’s like to use carcass temps anymore. If I did after a couple of laps my fronts especially would be constantly yellow. 🙄
@Monzstar83So even though it shows green it can already be losing considerable grip, the tyre indications are not the best..
Just a little help for you:
Perfect surface grip:85-115° 5° below costs 1.8% grip, 5° above costs 3.75% grip, i think 120° still shows as green though its almost 4% down on grip
Perfect carcass grip: 85-100° 4° below costs 2% grip, 4° above costs 4% grip so even 103° is only 97% grip anymore but still showing green
So even though it might show green you could be down by 7% grip which is a big deal but at least to me those high surface temps only happen on the front but going a little too quick on throttle might have same effect on rears
@Meza994 thank you - some really useful info there
It sounds like my carcass temps are probably bang in the window, but maybe I’m having issues with surface. Will track using a telemetry app and see
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- @Meza994 Thanking you
