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Subbaro's avatar
Subbaro
New Traveler
3 years ago

Tyre temperatures are too high on PAD!

 

Ever since the performance patch and the tyre temperature changes, the temperatures of the tyres are way too high.

It is important to know when tyres overheat and when not:

Tyres are usually fine in this window: 85°C-100°C

Tyres start to lose incredible amount of grip at 101°C-103°C  (we talk about overheating here already)

Tyres are basically not driveable (insane understeer/oversteer, grip loss and tyre wear) 104°C-...

CM intention with this was so that running max pressures isn´t a thing anymore, which is 100% fine and correct. Though what Pad users in particularly have to do now is, put on the lowest tyre pressures at every given circuit. And even then the tyres are still overheating on most circuits. Softs are basically undriveable at any track, but also mediums can overheat.

Now don´t get me wrong, if you´re a casual racer, playing on pad, you most likely will never notice anything, but as someone who plays competetively, tyres are everything. Even the slightest change in pressure can gain lots of time due to more straight line speed or less tyre wear and while pad can not add any, wheel users can and will yet again, have more advantages over pad users.

Why is it that Pad is struggling so much? My only guess is that the angles you steer on controller are either max or 0 angles, which just makes the tyres squirm especially during fast corners. And once you get your tyres up to that temperature it´s impossible to cool them down without going 2-3 seconds slower a lap. 

The disadvantages I already have presented, but once again to show how severe it can be: 
Lowest tyre pressures add at least 2-3% avg. tyre wear in comparison to medium tyre pressures. This then snowballs into insane tyre degredation which in the later stages (30-40% tyre wear) causes great traction loss. The resulting sliding increases tyre temperatures again and of course we lose incredible amounts of time per lap in comparison to the wheel user that can keep his tyres in check, even with medium tyre pressures, as he can controll his steering angle better.  
Moving forward lowest tyre pressures means less straight line speed, which forces the pad user to drive lower wings, which can result in more understeer, also more tyre wear and of course pace.

Now remember, these are just the compromises a pad user has to make in order to not overheat, but in reality he still will, even though they´re trying their best not to. And once tyres overheat, it´s over. We´re speaking off yet again double tyre wear, grip loss and a massive snowball at the end.

PLEASE CM make tyre pressures more lenient. Tyres in real life are so hard to overheat nowadays, that´s what they aimed for with the extra inches and the new philosophy, so aim for that ingame as well for EVERY player, not only wheel. Thank you

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  • petro1319's avatar
    petro1319
    Rising Veteran
    3 years ago

    I play on a pad (xbox sx) and I don't really have an issue with my tyres.  Maybe through certain corners, or certain phases of a lap/race I get my temps to a concerning level but its usually if I'm pushing really hard for one reason or another.   Normally though I don't have an issue while running 25% or 50% races.  I've yet to do a 100% in F1 22 so far though.  I also do notice my rear's wearing quicker than my fronts and I assume that's heat related from being maybe a bit too aggressive out of corners and getting some rear wheel spin that the med. tc counters.  I'm working on phasing that out though the more I drive f122 and the more I get used to the new handling model etc. If all you're changing in setups though is the tire pressures and expecting that to change your tire heat/wear then I think you need to look beyond that as well and make other setup changes.  Sounds like you are, but just saying...

    I think the bigger question/takeaway I have from your post here is if you're a "competitive player" what the heck are you doing racing on a pad?  No offense or anything, but I'd expect someone playing competitively (whatever that may mean to you, maybe is different from me?) then I'd think you would have a wheel since it would be the easiest way for you to compete with others using wheels in that competitive gaming world.  If you aren't then I'd guess you're probably just doing it wrong using a pad in the first place.  I'd certainly never consider getting into a competitive league or any sort of e-sports without having a wheel unless all players were on pads too.

    I don't know, long story short for me though is I don't suffer from problems with overheating tyres when using a pad, but I certainly do have issues when my tyres start to wear trying to control the car with a pad.  Especially under accelleration since my rears often are my biggest problem, but temps aren't usually an issue for me. Just control as they wear.

  • Subbaro's avatar
    Subbaro
    New Traveler
    3 years ago
    @petro1319 Hi, I guess I need to "correct" some stuff.

    In my league, we mainly race 100% races. That changes things a lot because tyres are put under heavy loads and therefore more tyre temperature and behaviour.

    In terms of being a competetive player, I´m still being able to compete with the fastest drivers in my league, even though I´m on controller. If you need to know what pace we´re talking about, lets just say: Time Trial top 50 on PC. I race without assists and thats also a huge factor.
    The faster you go, the more tyre temperature obviously, maybe thats why you´re suffering less, because you drive much slower than me.

    Lastly this should never hold any one back nor should it be an accepted solution EVER to just say: "lol, just get a wheel if you want to go fast". No. You can go fast on controller, not as fast as the esports guys, but still fast enough for other competetive amateur leagues.
    It´s just sad that pad gets nerfed, even though it´s already the harder option to play

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