Wheel v Pad & Assists v No Assists
So this is quite often discussed in a league that I'm in....... Wheel v Pad So, in theory a wheel should be faster than a pad, it should also be easier than a pad yet I know numerous people on a pa...
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@Ultrasonic_77 So the first problem is that the AI is better at higher difficulties, so makes less stupid mistakes (crashing into you on purpose) and better balanced performance over the season.
The second problem is its artificially slowing people down, even if someone drives perfect and doesnt utilize the effect of TC/ABS it would cost them laptime - otherwise a nerf wouldnt work because with perfect inputs it would still be the fastest possible.. Especially for offline players like myself who just want to enjoy racing and not be all the time 100% concentrated forced lower difficulty or forced No Assists would suck..
I can see the reason for online play but there is just no good balance. Some drivers that were equalling no assist players while using assists might be far behind then or not be affected at all, its just a tough "fix"
The second problem is its artificially slowing people down, even if someone drives perfect and doesnt utilize the effect of TC/ABS it would cost them laptime - otherwise a nerf wouldnt work because with perfect inputs it would still be the fastest possible.. Especially for offline players like myself who just want to enjoy racing and not be all the time 100% concentrated forced lower difficulty or forced No Assists would suck..
I can see the reason for online play but there is just no good balance. Some drivers that were equalling no assist players while using assists might be far behind then or not be affected at all, its just a tough "fix"
@Meza994 wrote:
The second problem is its artificially slowing people down, even if someone drives perfect and doesnt utilize the effect of TC/ABS it would cost them laptime - otherwise a nerf wouldnt work because with perfect inputs it would still be the fastest possible..
We've got games doing electronic aids better. Doesn't need to be "artificial", just have better hooks to work with. F1 22 having more data points for the load vs tyre grip dataset is a good opportunity to work on this.
- Work demand goes up, grip allows it
- Work nears limit of grip, grip still allows it
- Work exceeds grip a bit, you feel the wheelspin increasing or the tyres rumbling under braking but can still carry on
- Work decisively exceeds grip, wheelspin makes the rear step out or you get total wheel lock up under braking.
Total grip (or capacity for work) decreases between 2 and 3 and falls significantly between 3 and 4. A good driver with said perfect inputs would know to ease off when in stage 3.
This is simplifying things a bit, but you'll generally always get something along those lines.
The general perception is that TC and ABS work "too well" in the game. A great player would know to keep the car below 3 and when it touches stage 4, the cut in power or brake pressure is relatively modest. Best of all worlds, can push to the ceiling and not be that harshly penalized when engaging the electronic aids.
With more "conservative" electronics, like those in Gran Turismo or when you crank up TC and ABS to high settings in ACC, the aids' intervention cuts the input so much that the (generally oblivious) driver gets set back to stage 2. They leave performance on the table.
I love that Opmeer's video. Shows exactly that, electronics do not make a player good, it doesn't give you time or super traction or the like. He couldn't set a better time with any of the aids on. However, there's still room to make either the input cut more severe when going from 3 to 4 or make it so the aids engage earlier in stage 3. The latter would be more akin to the electronics fitted in a road car.
Either is fine by me. The misconstrued "electronics make you faster" is a fad I'm tired of already, they do not, but there's room to make TC and ABS less forgiving for those players with no sense for the threshold between 3 and 4. Could finally put the matter to rest.
The franchise finally having a tyre model with enough "resolution" in load sensitivity is a good opportunity to find tune these things.
- @mariohomoh Obviously there is room, didnt deny it, all im saying is that finding the perfect balance where nobody complains - its too much, its too little, pad is too hard, pad is op - is impossible for Codemasters, but again adjustments are possible and for ABS needed (based on 2021), dont see it for TC though, Opmeer was 0.5s slower in his tests, seems fair to me.
But yes especially now they got the chance.. Opmeer will likely put out another of his videos so we will see if things have changed then@GregStarz I agree, pad is getting some kind of “simplified drive”, I watched very fast people (3-4 tenths from WR) preferring to race with pad rather than wheel because of that and yes, it’s a bit frustrating at least as we do not have differentiated rankings and options to choose whether allow pad or not (I’m a 107 AI no assists wheel racer).
About aids we know, at least ABS is OP also because you can use more rotating (so faster) settings without fearing any kind of tyres blocking. Once again everyone should enjoy the game, I understand, but at least differentiated rankings would be necessary IMHO.
Regards,
Nuv
