When will 1.09 be released?
Hello, I would like to know when 1.09 is release? because Automatic gearbox hits rev-limiter for too long before upshifting, Will change the lives of many players, and I'm waiting for that to ...
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@thiago_ssj Why wait 1 or 2 months? if you fix something you might as well make a patch, and when you fix something else you might as well make another patch.
Already the small patches bring bugs so a patch of 1 month or 2 I don't even imagine the time to identify potential problems.
Especially if my problem was repaired but waiting for a patch ... I have to wait for everything else to be corrected to get the patch? not everyone considers a problem in F1 among a group of people as a problem for them too, every time you fix a problem new players will come back to play. They need to be corrected quickly with small patches if they want us to continue buying day one games.
Already the small patches bring bugs so a patch of 1 month or 2 I don't even imagine the time to identify potential problems.
Especially if my problem was repaired but waiting for a patch ... I have to wait for everything else to be corrected to get the patch? not everyone considers a problem in F1 among a group of people as a problem for them too, every time you fix a problem new players will come back to play. They need to be corrected quickly with small patches if they want us to continue buying day one games.
@Man0maN13000 wrote:
If you fix something you might as well make a patch, and when you fix something else you might as well make another patch.
Already the small patches bring bugs
And that's exactly the problem: When a developer fixes something small in a project this big (i.e. any major video game release), if they are inexperienced they might assume their change can't possibly break anything else in the game, but that's rarely the reality. The smallest change in one place can have big knock-on effects in another place. If they're careful, they might catch additional problems that might arise, but usually something slips through. And even if they do catch the new issues, they take time to fix too. And cause more issues. And so on.
So for even the smallest, quickest changes, ideally you would check everything, all over again. But what does everything mean here? Are they going to test all 10 seasons of career, co-op career (with players on LAN, on WIFI, in different parts of the world?), My Team (what about starting new with an existing team versus starting with your own team, or loading old saves and seeing if they still work?), League racing (5 lap races, 25%, 100%, 5 players, 20 players?), test every time trial track (with equal cars; realistic cars; in the dry; in the wet?). That list is basically endless.
So when the community finds an issue and demands a patch, and the team goes off and reproduces that problem and comes up with a potential fix for it they can either:
- Immediately release a fix: This will almost definitely create a new problem somewhere else. And the new problem could be worse than the thing they were trying to fix in the first place.
- Wait and test their fix properly: During this period other things will likely get fixed, which means testing takes even longer, and they'll probably find new issues along the way. So at some point they have to decide if the remaining issues should be fixed before releasing the next patch, or just to get the patch out sooner and deal with the other issues later.
So that's how we end up with issues like the tire temperatures on the formation lap creeping in: The team trying to get patches out to fix issues the community keeps complaining about every day. This is why some games only get patches every few months: They team is making sure they've fixed everything without adding new problems.
Not to mention, it takes ages to get patches out, especially on consoles. You need to send your patch to Microsoft/Sony, who will test it themselves thoroughly before signing off on it. If Sony turn around four days later and say that there's a problem (for example, imagine your new patch broke the trophies on PS5), the team has to go back, find that issue, fix it, build a new patch, test it again, submit it again, wait another week etc etc. It's a really looooooooong, tedious process.
- @Tribladez I'm not on console but on PC, PC updates do not wait for the console to be validated, PC receive first, followed by Sony a few days later and then Microsoft which seems to have a longer validation process. The game was released on June 28 in early access we had 3 updates which makes 1 update every 15 days, for my part each update bring a fix that I needed and 1.09 brings something major for all players who play with the Automatic gearbox, I can not start a career because of it.
Afterwards I agree with the problem of the AI in the last lap (yes it uses all its battery on the last lap, but it also used its tires therefore loss of performance because of the tires, not to mention that maybe 'she's been fighting for a few rounds, she can no longer have a battery too) the problem of the AI coming out of the pits which has no impact on cold tires, tire allocation... but we can't wait for him to fix that too because it was not listed as a problem
https://answers.ea.com/t5/Updates/F1-22-Community-Raised-Issues/td-p/11640498
And also the games that receive updates several months later are not annual games, if players cannot take full advantage of an annual game before the release of the next one, they will no longer take this annual game, so I think that the annual games have very large and efficient teams for the patches otherwise it kills their license.
@Man0maN13000 wrote:
And also the games that receive updates several months later are not annual games, if players cannot take full advantage of an annual game before the release of the next one, they will no longer take this annual game, so I think that the annual games have very large and efficient teams for the patches otherwise it kills their license.Just because a game is an annual release, or not, doesn't change the decision making process that the developers have to do: They either continuously rush patches out and cause new problems (e.g. you're talking about the automatic gears issue that got introduced by fixing other issues like the traction issues / AI straight line speed issues), or they wait a bit longer and try to make sure that nothing worse is introduced. I get that you consider the automatic gears issue to be critical to you, but I'm pretty sure you'd rather wait an extra week to get that fixed if it means it doesn't bring in some new, way worse issue (e.g. imagine them accidentally introducing an issue that corrupts the career save every few races).
- @Tribladez As somebody who has worked in the software industry as developer, designer for over 20 years, it's usually not the developers who do these decisions, it's the managers.
The whole problem starts from the top, probably already from the F1 licensing deal that forces them to do yearly releases. They don't have enough time for that, especially if they want to have something new in the game too, so the quality suffers and the get more and more behind every year. It's very ineffecient to fix things using patches usually and take time, and the more time they allocate to this, the less time and resources they have for the next game.
I really wonder do they have somekind of automatic testing system setup at all (I mean some higher level tests, not unit testing), because it's impossible catch regressions without huge effort of manual testing otherwise (which takes a lot of time). Some of the regressions from previous fixes make it sound that they don't... Unless they knew about them, but did the patch anyway
ps. F1 Life has to be EA management demand though, it smells like that miles away and is just so stupid
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