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thugz0rz's avatar
thugz0rz
3 years ago
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Where are the old f1 games ? f1 2019 Senna vs Prost Edition needed.

There were amazing historical content on those old titles and people want to EXPERIENCE it. Where to buy. How to buy? So many historical Pilots, teams and tracks, that fans RESPECT. Should people be...
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  • mariohomoh's avatar
    mariohomoh
    3 years ago

    Licenses always have expiry dates. And though it is fair to assume that the sort of copyright sports game involve means they're negotiated in wholesale or packages, that's not usually the case - specially when you don't have a governing body concentrating all sorts of image rights and IP licenses to make deals run smoothly.

    When it's all fractured and all over the place, as that's likely the case with classic content, you need to negotiate them on a licensor by licensor basis - the person or entity holding those rights.

    It is not uncommon to put contractual provisions in place so that if the licensee (the company you sold the copyright to) gets incorporated by or merged to another entity, those licenses expire or do not allow for continuing exploitation.

    Regarding EA not wanting to offer games not made by them, it again depends on the kind of royalties that were baked in the original contract. It is very common in the entertainment industry to arrange it so that whenever you have a given content in offer, you're paying royalties in the form of residuals - regardless of how much sales or income that content gives you.

    So it could very well be that how much it would net EA on new sales of those products vs how much it would cost in royalties just to keep those games available in store make it not worth it.

    To suggest that a company would not offer a product in their portfolio already just out of spite for the original creator is nonsense.

    Same goes to arguing that they would prefer to sell their own games over those. If they're not competing products (i.e. one does not cannibalize on the other's sales), makes no sense.

Meza994's avatar
Meza994
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago

@LuckyNico92 There is no correlation between bringing back classic cars and being forced to bring back the older F1 games.. F1 2013 was down before EA bought Codemasters and from what i heard that was because the licenses ran out..

@thugz0rzThey dont own the lincenses in that sense by my understanding, they just pay a certain amount to be able to use the licensed product for a game or maybe a couple of games but nothing permanent

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LuckyNico92
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@Meza994 F1 2013 only went down because F1 2015 came out, containing both the 2014 and 2015 season, making the PS3 games basically immaterial, as I don't think that people who had a PS4 would still play an outdated game.

However, I don't understand how the license for F1 2020 was wiped out a few days after EA took over. Really, a few days after the release of F1 2021, F1 2020 was gone from the online stores. So you're telling me that Codies still has the license but they can't bring the games back because EA is afraid that everyone could start playing F1 2020 and therefore they can't make any more money off their own F1 games, are you kidding me?

If this happens, then so be it. F1 2020 is the best F1 game ever, and if people want to start or continue playing it and spend some money for some items from the item shop or get the DLC they weren't able to get, then just let them do it. Don't just go ahead and wipe them out of the online stores just because there's no EA SPORTS in the game's name. Ridiculous.

EA should lay off their hands from F1 anyway. Don't they realize that since they took over, the F1 games are totally awful and basically feel like Need for Speed with F1 cars, with the cars being this prone for drifting like never before, as well as the AI being insanely broken in several scenarios?

Really, I totally understand removing outdated games like say F1 2013 from online stores. But F1 2020 is nowhere close to outdated, and EA still refuses to bring it back, because it's not an EA SPORTS F1 game.
  • Meza994's avatar
    Meza994
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago

    @LuckyNico92So why would the previous games still be available but F1 2013 not?

    I dont disagree that EA doesnt want the non EA games to be available, it makes sense..

    F1 2020 has nothing to do with CM having a license for it but just EA taking the games off any store, they want to sell their games its fairly simple, just money talks..

    Again its just a matter of money, companies always take "getting more money" over "getting less money but making the customer happy"

    • ScarDuck14's avatar
      ScarDuck14
      Legend
      3 years ago

      I really like a RTS game called RUSE.  But you cannot buy it anymore because Ubisoft decided not to pay to renew the licenses.  Licensing has only last certain amount of time.  When that time runs out if you don’t renew it you can’t use the licensed content anymore.   Only way to get ia game no longer licensed is by finding and buying a old physical copy

  • ScarDuck14's avatar
    ScarDuck14
    Legend
    3 years ago

    @LuckyNico92Codemasters are responsible for far more shockingly bad games than the last two. F1 2020 is the GOAT of the franchise. Codemasters have always been up and down from one year to the next.

    EA for once isnt to blame. During and Since the pandemic it hit every industry’s ability to produce products that were on par with what came before. 2021 suffered from being developed under lockdown and has had a knock on effect with 22 as that was also in development under lockdown or whilst the dev team was still working from home.


    • LuckyNico92's avatar
      LuckyNico92
      Seasoned Ace
      3 years ago
      @ScarDuck14 I don't know if developing a game under lockdown has THAT huge of an effect on a game, but if that's the case, then maybe things start to look up now that everything is almost over.

      Still, I am thinking that with many of Codemasters good devs out of action, EA took over the development process, and changed both F1 2021 and 22 for the worse. However, now that everything seems like it's fine again, maybe those good devs of Codemasters are back in business and bring us the F1 game we ask for, a viable successor for F1 2020.

      And really, F1 23 will better be good, otherwise FOM will probably revoke the license from EA for making these games terrible, just like it happened with FIFA and Madden.
      • ScarDuck14's avatar
        ScarDuck14
        Legend
        3 years ago
        @LuckyNico92 Nope it was all codemasters and developing a game when everyone is working from home is a huge handicap. communication between devs and various departments is seriously impacted. Zoom meetings are not the same as face to face. Being in the comfort off your own home has a negative effect on productivity, 🙄

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