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@pawel567 wrote:
@SteveJacksonBahrain Short If he is in the game, he will be the same as he was in F1 17-20
Then I’d rather it wasn’t in. Same as the other short configurations. If not used IRL, no point to them, especially as DLC.
Many tracks have alternate configurations but many are unused by F1 or any support category.
Alternate tracks that have been used as substitutes during the pandemic or ones that were missing in that respect would be useful.
Even updates to older tracks that were licensed previously would be good, even as super car venues.
@SteveJackson wrote:
@pawel567 wrote:
@SteveJacksonBahrain Short If he is in the game, he will be the same as he was in F1 17-20Then I’d rather it wasn’t in. Same as the other short configurations. If not used IRL, no point to them, especially as DLC.
That's a rather strange attitude. You can say you wouldn't personally play them but they'd do no harm and still provide variety. Did you refuse to race the Spain track in F1 2021 because it was wrong?
- Meza9943 years agoSeasoned Ace@Ultrasonic_77 To be fair if the amount of work would be comparable i would prefer a completely different track to one that we partly have already.. Problem is that new tracks are excessively more work than the short tracks
- Ultrasonic_773 years agoHero
@Meza994 wrote:
@Ultrasonic_77To be fair if the amount of work would be comparable i would prefer a completely different track to one that we partly have already.. Problem is that new tracks are excessively more work than the short tracksSure but my guess is that it is easier to add in the same short tracks as previously than add a new short track though, which I suspect is what @pawel567 was thinking.
- SteveJackson3 years agoHero (Retired)
@Ultrasonic_77 wrote:
@SteveJackson wrote:
@pawel567 wrote:
@SteveJacksonBahrain Short If he is in the game, he will be the same as he was in F1 17-20Then I’d rather it wasn’t in. Same as the other short configurations. If not used IRL, no point to them, especially as DLC.
That's a rather strange attitude. You can say you wouldn't personally play them but they'd do no harm and still provide variety. Did you refuse to race the Spain track in F1 2021 because it was wrong?
That's not the same. That was the version of Spain we had previously and the mitigations were a Covid hangover. Not ideal, just inaccurate.
Why would you even buy a track that isn't raced? Variety you say. Are 20-odd tracks insufficient?
- Meza9943 years agoSeasoned Ace@SteveJackson Yes they are.. Because we drive 90% of them for several years now and know them in and out. Variety starts where we can really get something different and not 90% the same as the past 9 years.. Its fine when you are happy with it but there are plenty of people who wish for more variety in tracks so it is a valid opinion
- SteveJackson3 years agoHero (Retired)
@Meza994 wrote:
@SteveJacksonYes they are.. Because we drive 90% of them for several years now and know them in and out. Variety starts where we can really get something different and not 90% the same as the past 9 years.. Its fine when you are happy with it but there are plenty of people who wish for more variety in tracks so it is a valid opinionBut that is the F1 calendar. Multiple year deals so yes the calendar does stay the same in the main.
A 'classic' DLC model is the best. There's no reason why as the track model is updated (move to LiDAR) and tracks are revised that the changes can't be the update in that game.
So I'm not suggesting that updates should be backported into the older games, they are frozen. Retains some 'new' content provision. But older tracks could be available in newer games going forward.
I can see the need for variety in a 10 year career. Not that I have the desire to play a game that long against the faith of the save being corrupted before I finish.
But this was the argument for scrapping the iterative game releases and just releasing the content for each season (driver, livery, car designs and tracks) as DLC. But I can see that's not going to be cost effective as PC community will just mod the game.
Other argument is that free updates will have to be brought in for rule changes, maybe a new iteration of the game engine each regs cycle, but that doesn't coincide with hardware cycles.
- Ultrasonic_773 years agoHero
@SteveJackson wrote:Why would you even buy a track that isn't raced? Variety you say. Are 20-odd tracks insufficient?
We don't know if we're talking free or paid for DLC yet. The option to buy a short track, whether what was previously in the game or raced more recently, does no harm though. There is no current expectation for any short tracks to be raced this year so by your logic it wouldn't make any difference which version we were talking about.
In terms of what I might personally at least consider paying for, I wouldn't pay for any short tracks but might for say Hockenheim if it wasn't too expensive, despite it not currently being on the F1 calendar.
- mariohomoh3 years agoHero (Retired)
@Ultrasonic_77 wrote:In terms of what I might personally at least consider paying for, I wouldn't pay for any short tracks but might for say Hockenheim if it wasn't too expensive, despite it not currently being on the F1 calendar.
Not sure if that's one of the reasons for @SteveJackson's concerning, but if the tracks are released as a bundle only and you get say Hockenheim as full track plus all the short tracks we used to have up to F1 2020, the shorties will inflate the price of the limited content you're actually interested in. In the end your attitudes may not be that different, as you both do not care about short tracks; it may just be that one is assuming they will do no harm, whilst the other is concerned with the business model Codies may be cooking up.
Too soon for me to care, personally. But we're getting supercars, and I don't recall the declared reasoning behind the removal of short tracks – if it was a pitiful excuse or a justifiable one like that for removing classic cars, something along the lines of choosing to prioritize dev time with other content instead of updating classic cars to new physics and new hardware features. If they were removed just to make a comeback bearing no meaningful improvements under a DLC model that bundles stuff up with no option to pick and choose what you pay for, that's bad.
Again, too soon. But I don't think Steve is coming out of left field as it may seem at first glance.