Product: Madden NFL 22Platform:PCWhich console generation do you have? What is your gamertag/PSN ID? Neo_NovalisDate/time issue occurred since Madden 19What type of issue do you have? GameplayWhich mode has this happened in? Ultimate TeamWhich part of the mode? SeasonsSummarize your bug in prinicple, this happens in every H2H mode since I bought Madden 19. I now understood why tacklings, block shadding, catching, sacks (incl. throw away and throw out of sack) animations look completely different between my team and my opponents'. Due to the bad latency I face in almost every play, my players do not identify their opponents on time and therefore react like there was no opponent (or the opponent was not that close). How often does the bug occur? Often (50% - 99%)Steps: How can we find the bug ourselves? Play H2H with bad latencyWhat happens when the bug occurs? very frustrating patterns occur when comparing the performance of your team with that of your opponentWhat do you expect to see? a fair game for both playersPS4 Crash Reporting: Please copy the text you put in the crash report here. What is the AMD or Nvidia Model Number of your graphics card? Enter RAM memory size in GB to start with: a few times I've seen this pattern heavily affecting my H2H experience for my opponents too (i.e. in these games it was just unfair for them). If it was only me, than I just had to live with this issue, but I'm perfectly convinced that it is a very broad issue but most often players do not realize it because it is not visible with the blanket eye. Over the last years I was wondering why my players seem to perform much worse than their opponents although I use the players of my opponents myself too. I always thought that it is somehow caused by the fact that in competitive mode every single AI player waits for a manual input and only reacts afterwards. If you face bad latency, the input is delayed and therefore also the reaction of the AI players is delayed. Maybe this explanation is still true, but after seeing the tackling animations in the Madden 22 version, I'm convinced that bad latency results in AI players not correctly recognizing the distance to their opponents. For instance, if one of my defender (either usered or AI-controlled) runs towards a ballcarrier, the defender runs into the ballcarrier first instead of trying to tackle him. If I manually trigger a tackling, my defender jumps into the defender (in best case in the right direction at least) but does not identify the ballcarrier to be tackled. The animation I see is an unscripted body collision and not a tackling animation first. If my defender managed to collide with the ballcarrier and therefore affects the direction (and/or slows down) the ballcarrier, the body collision might convert into a tackling animation, which often has a weird outcome. This pattern becomes most visible when both players (ballcarrier and defender) run slightly in parallel (e.g. in outside runs). There are so many different situations where I see this pattern (i.e. that my players do not identify the distance to their opponents correctly): block shedding: it is so obvious that my defenders are unable to shed any blocks. I've seen plays where my D-line was blocked for 20 seconds without any of my players was able to shed the block and rush the QB who was standing still somewhere close to the sideline. unbelievable! 20 seconds... when trying to defend run plays, in worst case, all my players are blocked 5+ yards behind the line of scrimmage and non of them is able to shed a block. I can't even trigger a shed attempt for the usered players. contested catches: over the years, I did not manage to successfully catch a dozen of contested catches. no, I am not understating! There is no way for me to try to throw a risky pass to a covered defender because my WR will never catch the ball (neither usered nor unusered). when I do a run play on offense, my FB sometimes run into the direction of the safety and I expect to block him but then he changes the direction to run towards a CB who is stationary due to his blocking animation of the outside WR. And this happens when I'd expect that the blocking attempt (vs. the Safety) should already start... Sacks, Throw out of Sacks, Throw Away: When my QB starts the throw, the defender is oftern far away. In any Solo mode I would not even bother that the throw might be assessed as "under pressure", but in H2H games the QB is either sacked or throws out of sack. On the other hand, when my defender already jumps into the QB, the QB can easily throw the ball away. This is again the same pattern as described above for tackling: the defender just jumps into the QB first and therefore the "animation" is not identified as sack. Therefore the QB is not affected in his throwing animation. Warping players vs. falling to the ground like a bag of stones in tackling animations: So often I face it that my players just drop to the ground like a bag of stones, i.e. approximately the same animation that happens when triggering a tackle while no ballcarrier is close to the defender. Again, my defender does not correctly identify the distance to the ballcarrier and therefore does not "trigger" a normal tackling. On the other hand, I often see tacklings from opponents, where the defender warps towards my player (I've just seen a tackle where my ballcarrier (with 91 speed) was tackled by a slower defender while being 5 yards behind him). This pattern has been reported by other players as well.... Since I see these very frustrating patterns for years now in my H2H duells, I was not at all surprised when I saw the face of one of the players competing in one of the official tournaments streamed on Twitch last year. The difference to previous Madden Bowls etc. was that players had to play from home and latency affected the games. I remember the face of one player who's face was obviously asking "What the §%/(§ is going on?". It was so clear to me because I face the patterns he was realising in this one game in every single H2H game. The good thing is [Sarcasm alert!]: there are so many alternatives, i.e. Solo modes, that allow having fun to play this game. It is just so frustrating. In particular since one could enjoy competition only if it is (almost) fair. [EDIT] after writing this down, in my next H2H Seasons game, my opponent had 10+ seconds in his first 5 passing plays. And when i switched to the run, none of my players did manage to shed a block although I correctly guessed the run through the middle. This game is just frustrating! And I do not even talk about constant Solo Battle DNFs, constant game crashes, game breaking gameplay bugs in Solo modes, etc. etc. next game: having to fight for every single yard on run plays where 2-3 opponents immediately beat my OL. first passing attempt: getting sacked by 3 defenders... after realising how this pattern is caused, it is so obvious why my players always lose their duells.

for me it does not take a quarter to realize that i can not win this game. if i start with the kickoff and see that i have a half of a second delay by pressing the A button i immediately can quit the game...

playing H2H in MUT is the worst gaming experience I've ever had in my life: Field goals from medium to far distance: impossible usered sacks: impossible (the QB will either throw the ball away although my defender is already staying on his toes or I get a roughing the passer call) avoiding getting sacked: impossible (as soon as I see that a defender is close to my QB neither throwing away nor any movement works to get away because the defender is warping to sack my QB) lurking INTs: impossible (if the intended receiver is close to my player because the catching animation from the receiver is already triggered when I try to do the lurk; it sometimes works when my usered defender is between the QB and the receiver and both far away from the receiver and the Qb throws a bullet: happens almost never...) successful shed moves from my players (both offense and defense): almost never see that (if I do not have a spy and the QB does not roll out, my opponent has up to 20 seconds to throw the ball) AI tackles: if I see it then just because the defender slowed the ballcarrier down by just running into him and does a very unfavourable tackling animation afterwards successful blocks from my offense: impossible, they are beaten immediately trying to defend run plays: my complete D-line is blocked 5 yards into the backfield and none of them ever sheds a block trying to blitz: impossible (except a player is completely unblocked and never comes close to a OL) ballcarrier moves: almost never work, if they work it is a guess because I have to trigger it so early that I do not even know what the usered defender does. my ballcarrier moves look so weird and completely useless most of the time. most often, it is even worse than if I would have continued running the passing play is impossible (except against opponents with much slower players where I can easily exploit the speed advantage) throwing touch passes: impossible catching contested catches: impossible throwing a pass into a "window": impossible throwing a pass to where it should be (given the passing concept): impossible (because the defenders react immediately to the pass and are quicker there than my receivers) And now try to defend these &§%&/Q$%("/§ money plays! or beat these §&Q/$&§Q money plays! Although I know in principle how to beat them, or at least I have ideas how to do it, well, ... defend a passing play for 20 seconds... (I managed to do that sometimes! :D ) playing H2H feels like fighting against a giant uphill with legs and arms tied. It feels so great facing players being proud of their performance that they also have to rub my nose in it with their taunting animations. LOL next game after writing this post: "Did you enjoy the last game?" I feel so screwed over, after facing a drive with 3 plays in a row where my defenders just ran into the receiver/ballcarrier without any tackling animation and the ballcarrier could just ran "through" them...

@Neo_Novalis playing MUT H2H is the by far most frustrating and therefore worst gaming experience I've ever had. And why do I still play it? there is not a single MUT mode available if you chewed the clock in all Solos.... for me, there is no alternative to 1) adding challenging, repeatable Solo modes (with a cleverly adjusting AI) and 2) allowing to complete promo objectives list by completing either Solos or H2H games, but not requiring both. That is so frustrating to go for 25 H2H wins just because otherwise I would never manage to complete any promo list...

I have the exact same issues... I thought I was playing the game wrong of something... Very frustrating especially after spending hundreds on the game and it plays like this... And ea won't help... Really SUCKS

frankly, the gaming experience in playing H2H is just so frustrating, to say it politely. I see absolutely no reason whatsoever why I should try to finish a game when I realize in the first quarter that it's going to be close (in my best case scenario). I can't influence these games at all. Whatever I do (and I'm now convinced that I'm not that bad anymore), the game screws me over several times per drive. And very often one of those situations goes completely wrong. For me, the only sensible strategy in H2H is: 1) see if your opponent is sufficiently weak, 2) if yes, score quickly so that he gives up quickly, if no, give up immediately and load the next game, 3) don't try to enjoy the game. It does what it wants anyway. I really hate it that this is the only bearable strategy. That's definitely no fun, neither for me nor my opponents. ☹️ ☹️ ☹️

Neo_Novalis

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[Gameplay, H2H] latency affects whether AI/usered players identify opponents

Product: Madden NFL 22
Platform:PC
Which console generation do you have?
What is your gamertag/PSN ID? Neo_Novalis
Date/time issue occurred since Madden 19
What type of issue do you have? Gameplay
Which mode has this happened in? Ultimate Team
Which part of the mode? Seasons
Summarize your bug in prinicple, this happens in every H2H mode since I bought Madden 19. I now understood why tacklings, block shadding, catching, sacks (incl. throw away and throw out of sack) animations look completely different between my team and my opponents'. Due to the bad latency I face in almost every play, my players do not identify their opponents on time and therefore react like there was no opponent (or the opponent was not that close).
How often does the bug occur? Often (50% - 99%)
Steps: How can we find the bug ourselves? Play H2H with bad latency
What happens when the bug occurs? very frustrating patterns occur when comparing the performance of your team with that of your opponent
What do you expect to see? a fair game for both players
PS4 Crash Reporting: Please copy the text you put in the crash report here.
What is the AMD or Nvidia Model Number of your graphics card?
Enter RAM memory size in GB

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to start with: a few times I've seen this pattern heavily affecting my H2H experience for my opponents too (i.e. in these games it was just unfair for them). If it was only me, than I just had to live with this issue, but I'm perfectly convinced that it is a very broad issue but most often players do not realize it because it is not visible with the blanket eye.

Over the last years I was wondering why my players seem to perform much worse than their opponents although I use the players of my opponents myself too. I always thought that it is somehow caused by the fact that in competitive mode every single AI player waits for a manual input and only reacts afterwards. If you face bad latency, the input is delayed and therefore also the reaction of the AI players is delayed. Maybe this explanation is still true, but after seeing the tackling animations in the Madden 22 version, I'm convinced that bad latency results in AI players not correctly recognizing the distance to their opponents. For instance, if one of my defender (either usered or AI-controlled) runs towards a ballcarrier, the defender runs into the ballcarrier first instead of trying to tackle him. If I manually trigger a tackling, my defender jumps into the defender (in best case in the right direction at least) but does not identify the ballcarrier to be tackled. The animation I see is an unscripted body collision and not a tackling animation first. If my defender managed to collide with the ballcarrier and therefore affects the direction (and/or slows down) the ballcarrier, the body collision might convert into a tackling animation, which often has a weird outcome. This pattern becomes most visible when both players (ballcarrier and defender) run slightly in parallel (e.g. in outside runs).

There are so many different situations where I see this pattern (i.e. that my players do not identify the distance to their opponents correctly):

block shedding: it is so obvious that my defenders are unable to shed any blocks. I've seen plays where my D-line was blocked for 20 seconds without any of my players was able to shed the block and rush the QB who was standing still somewhere close to the sideline. unbelievable! 20 seconds...
when trying to defend run plays, in worst case, all my players are blocked 5+ yards behind the line of scrimmage and non of them is able to shed a block. I can't even trigger a shed attempt for the usered players.
contested catches: over the years, I did not manage to successfully catch a dozen of contested catches. no, I am not understating! There is no way for me to try to throw a risky pass to a covered defender because my WR will never catch the ball (neither usered nor unusered).
when I do a run play on offense, my FB sometimes run into the direction of the safety and I expect to block him but then he changes the direction to run towards a CB who is stationary due to his blocking animation of the outside WR. And this happens when I'd expect that the blocking attempt (vs. the Safety) should already start...
Sacks, Throw out of Sacks, Throw Away: When my QB starts the throw, the defender is oftern far away. In any Solo mode I would not even bother that the throw might be assessed as "under pressure", but in H2H games the QB is either sacked or throws out of sack. On the other hand, when my defender already jumps into the QB, the QB can easily throw the ball away. This is again the same pattern as described above for tackling: the defender just jumps into the QB first and therefore the "animation" is not identified as sack. Therefore the QB is not affected in his throwing animation.
Warping players vs. falling to the ground like a bag of stones in tackling animations: So often I face it that my players just drop to the ground like a bag of stones, i.e. approximately the same animation that happens when triggering a tackle while no ballcarrier is close to the defender. Again, my defender does not correctly identify the distance to the ballcarrier and therefore does not "trigger" a normal tackling. On the other hand, I often see tacklings from opponents, where the defender warps towards my player (I've just seen a tackle where my ballcarrier (with 91 speed) was tackled by a slower defender while being 5 yards behind him). This pattern has been reported by other players as well....

Since I see these very frustrating patterns for years now in my H2H duells, I was not at all surprised when I saw the face of one of the players competing in one of the official tournaments streamed on Twitch last year. The difference to previous Madden Bowls etc. was that players had to play from home and latency affected the games. I remember the face of one player who's face was obviously asking "What the §%/(§ is going on?". It was so clear to me because I face the patterns he was realising in this one game in every single H2H game.

The good thing is [Sarcasm alert!]: there are so many alternatives, i.e. Solo modes, that allow having fun to play this game. It is just so frustrating. In particular since one could enjoy competition only if it is (almost) fair.

[EDIT] after writing this down, in my next H2H Seasons game, my opponent had 10+ seconds in his first 5 passing plays. And when i switched to the run, none of my players did manage to shed a block although I correctly guessed the run through the middle. This game is just frustrating! And I do not even talk about constant Solo Battle DNFs, constant game crashes, game breaking gameplay bugs in Solo modes, etc. etc.

next game: having to fight for every single yard on run plays where 2-3 opponents immediately beat my OL. first passing attempt: getting sacked by 3 defenders... after realising how this pattern is caused, it is so obvious why my players always lose their duells.

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Neo_Novalis
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I've played the first time again for a while now (did not find any time to play the game over the previous months). In the meanwhile I have a much better laptop (I guess anything better is not affordable for a "normal player") and a much better internet connection. So I guess I did everything I can to improve my situation. But unfortunately, this issue is still there. So I guess there is really, really nothing I can do about it.

I played a couple of games yesterday in MUT knowing that I will not have any chance to win because my lineup is anything but competitive anymore. Knowing that I just wanted to enjoy the game accepting that I will lose at the end. But it is just so frustrating seeing so weird patterns on the field. My highlights:

my opponent's QB throw the ball to a WR which was covered by my usered MLB close to the sideline. My MLB was directly in front of the WR and I went for the INT. What happened was that the ball went through the stomach of my MLB and was caught by the WR. I guess this happened just because the WR came a little bit back and might have been in front of my MLB to catch the ball (if I try to take into account that what I see on the screen is time-delayed from what the game is based on). At least that's my guess how this could have happened. What I've seen just seemed to be ridiculous.

my opponents QB went for a deep pass on 3rd and 20 (I was so proud of defending that well against a much superior team!). The pass was completely off target and my safety was probably in range to go for the INT, so I pressed the button. What happened was that after the ball went to the ground my usered safety did a weird tackle against the WR who was much too far away from the spot where he could have catched the ball. This moment was the most frustrating one during the games I've played. After letting the moment sink in a bit and thinking about whether I might have done something wrong, I am convinced that I had no other chance than to decide this way. It's so frustrating when the game just does something completely different when you haven't actually done anything wrong. how to play this game then without frustration when these moments occur several times in every single game?

I had two INT within a game because my QB threw two touch passes although I pressed the passing icon all day long intending a bullet pass. I have no idea what else should explain why the game assesssed my input as a touch pass.

It is so frustrating seeing these issues because I cannot do anything about it. I obviously see completely different things on my screen due to the time delay than what the game bases its "decisions" on. Obviously, this also affects my non-usered players (see my descriptions in my posts above in this thread). This pattern makes online H2H games a pure frustrating experience for me.

I guess I'm not the only one facing this pattern. But I'm also convinced that most of the affected players do not realize it because it is not immediately recognizable at first glance...

I'd guess that I'll have to hope for an improved Solo mode and a much better AI to enjoy the game. At the moment, the AI is so easy to beat because it never reacts to what I'm doing. I would have to do something "wrong" to make the game challenging. H2H games are just unplayable for me, unfortunately. as I said, even if I do not care about whether I win or lose. The game itself is the issue... ☹️

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