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So EA I had a question that doesn’t sit right with me and a lot of other fellow madden 21 players, in this screen shot it states that it is against the rules to promote coin selling and buying. So wh...
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@Neo_Novalis While I appreciate your opinion, comparing EA to WADA just doesn't fit. If WADA administered tests that they knew were creating false positives, they would stop administering those tests and find another solution. Because someone would hold them accountable.
Additionally, WADA tells the athletes' specifically what they are being accused of, so that person can at least muster a defense of some sort. EA just sends out blanket cheater emails, or banned for coin distribution, forcing those banned to try and guess what they did.
Also, WADA uses tests that are scientifically proven to be effective. EA either created the TOS software or uses a third party, which banned Drini. Plus in terms of technical achievement and it's reliability, I think EA has lost the benefit of the doubt on most fronts. Heck, they can't even get the right cards into packs half the time.
As far a YouTuber's go, no they can't ban them from being on YouTube, they banned one from FIFA for making YouTube videos due to his content. The easily could shut out Guttfoxx or Zirksee from playing the game but they don't want the backlash and loss of revenue that it would cause, so they continue to let them break the TOS. It is less drama and more profitable. Plus these channels also highlight pulling packs, giving EA free publicity.
As far a how to fix the issue. How can I give you an answer and I haven't any specifics of why I have been banned twice. There are commonalities from my first ban. I believe I bought the C. Woodson PU, so the software might not recognize an 80 card power up isn't your typical 80 card and goes for more.
I was playing a lot of HR---just like last time---which might make the system think I was intentionally quitting some matches to be matched up with lesser opponents. The true is that the last HR I played required, I believe, 35 wins, to get the card. So if I fell behind early, I just conceded because who has time to play a complete second half when you have to win 35 games? So one YouTuber claimed he was banned for cheating because he would quit out of a bunch of games to get lesser opponents.
Or it is the bot either doesn't like my series X since it never was listed as trusted.
Lastly, it could be flagging me because I was using the Windows 10 Series X streaming test app, because Microsoft only has a beta for this, it could be thinking that is a 3rd party software.
Since I have zero specifics of what triggered this ban, I cannot offer a solution to my situation.
Additionally, WADA tells the athletes' specifically what they are being accused of, so that person can at least muster a defense of some sort. EA just sends out blanket cheater emails, or banned for coin distribution, forcing those banned to try and guess what they did.
Also, WADA uses tests that are scientifically proven to be effective. EA either created the TOS software or uses a third party, which banned Drini. Plus in terms of technical achievement and it's reliability, I think EA has lost the benefit of the doubt on most fronts. Heck, they can't even get the right cards into packs half the time.
As far a YouTuber's go, no they can't ban them from being on YouTube, they banned one from FIFA for making YouTube videos due to his content. The easily could shut out Guttfoxx or Zirksee from playing the game but they don't want the backlash and loss of revenue that it would cause, so they continue to let them break the TOS. It is less drama and more profitable. Plus these channels also highlight pulling packs, giving EA free publicity.
As far a how to fix the issue. How can I give you an answer and I haven't any specifics of why I have been banned twice. There are commonalities from my first ban. I believe I bought the C. Woodson PU, so the software might not recognize an 80 card power up isn't your typical 80 card and goes for more.
I was playing a lot of HR---just like last time---which might make the system think I was intentionally quitting some matches to be matched up with lesser opponents. The true is that the last HR I played required, I believe, 35 wins, to get the card. So if I fell behind early, I just conceded because who has time to play a complete second half when you have to win 35 games? So one YouTuber claimed he was banned for cheating because he would quit out of a bunch of games to get lesser opponents.
Or it is the bot either doesn't like my series X since it never was listed as trusted.
Lastly, it could be flagging me because I was using the Windows 10 Series X streaming test app, because Microsoft only has a beta for this, it could be thinking that is a 3rd party software.
Since I have zero specifics of what triggered this ban, I cannot offer a solution to my situation.
@rjwil73 I think your criticisms of my WADA vs. EA comparison are very justified. I got the same impression that EA's algorithms to identify cheaters might need (some) fine-tuning (to say it politely; and of course these algorithms are most likely not as scientific as WADA tests).
I fully agree that it is unacceptable that players are banned in case of doubt (and the players have to proof they are innocent). on the other hand, we do not know how many players are not banned, even though there are indications that they are cheating, but these indications are not seen as sufficient for a ban.
>>>Heck, they can't even get the right cards into packs half the time.<<< agree! I fully share your assessment. but honestly, I think EA is doing itself a horrendous disservice with a QA that obviously does not work. after these problems keep recurring every single week, EA's image suffers enormously over time. in particular, since MUT's business model is actually based on exactly that.
frankly, after seeing all the reports of frustrated players, I'm wondering why there are still so many players out there spending tons of cash for packs....
but maybe that's the main reason why there is so little information available in-game. as soon as players start to find the forum websites and read the bug reports, they become aware of all the issues they do not even recognize because relevant information is so often confusingly communicated to the players. [this para full of sarcasm reflects a lot of my frustration with the game. but I do not want to blame any individuals here (not at all!). from my perspective, it is an organizational issue to be solved while the community managers, i.e. the guys responsible to inform the players, are actually let down because they often do not get enough information themselves ...]
I fully agree that it is unacceptable that players are banned in case of doubt (and the players have to proof they are innocent). on the other hand, we do not know how many players are not banned, even though there are indications that they are cheating, but these indications are not seen as sufficient for a ban.
>>>Heck, they can't even get the right cards into packs half the time.<<< agree! I fully share your assessment. but honestly, I think EA is doing itself a horrendous disservice with a QA that obviously does not work. after these problems keep recurring every single week, EA's image suffers enormously over time. in particular, since MUT's business model is actually based on exactly that.
frankly, after seeing all the reports of frustrated players, I'm wondering why there are still so many players out there spending tons of cash for packs....
but maybe that's the main reason why there is so little information available in-game. as soon as players start to find the forum websites and read the bug reports, they become aware of all the issues they do not even recognize because relevant information is so often confusingly communicated to the players. [this para full of sarcasm reflects a lot of my frustration with the game. but I do not want to blame any individuals here (not at all!). from my perspective, it is an organizational issue to be solved while the community managers, i.e. the guys responsible to inform the players, are actually let down because they often do not get enough information themselves ...]
- @Neo_Novalis Oh I agree it isn't the community managers fault. They can only relay what information they are allowed to.
As far as why people are buying packs still, I couldn't tell you. I went NMS this year because I was disappointed with M20 (I thiink I spent around $40 last year), and although I don't dislike M21's gameplay as much as I did the year before, the bugs and issues that have plagued this release made me realize that if I bought packs I was rewarding mediocrity.- @rjwil73 >>>the bugs and issues that have plagued this release made me realize that if I bought packs I was rewarding mediocrity.<<< same with me. if I thought that the money I spend would help improving the game, I would definitely purchase additional content. even if it was just to give the dev team more resources to continue improving the game while I don't actually get any additional benefit from the extra content directly. but unfortunately, every additional or new content is so affected by the fact that you can literally smell that it's all about taking even more money out of the players' pockets.... ☹️
@Neo_NovalisOh, believe me. It is about taking more and more. Pack price increases, the first down gameplay that either you had to do the set (which I was trying to do prior to the second ban) or pay a mere $1.50 to unlock), things like that just turn me off.
The really sad thing is that I was going to skip this year's game, but they announced the free "upgrade" for the series X. Since I have somehow managed to get the new Xbox day one releases since the 360 came out, I figured I might as well buy Madden 21. For the series X, I got lucky, because I had a preorder in my cart before they sold out, Microsoft sent me an email later after I couldn't complete my purchase asking me if I still wanted it. Of course.
Still trying to get a PS5. I refuse to pay scalper prices.
Of course I could probably easily get one if I wasn't using all my bots to rob EA of their virtual currency, right?
@Neo_NovalisOK. I'm going to try and not post so much about my ban after this last one. I honestly don't want to troll this company, but calling me a cheater or accusing me falsely gaining coins is nonsense. Anyway, concerning our conversation.
First off, Mr.Golden Mut has a YouTube video released around Jan. 19th of this year discussing how in Madden 15, EA went after and banned the content creators, including him, to hopefully stop coin promoting on YouTube. Then EA apparently stopped? Why? My guess, because he talks about it in his video, is he spent around 15 to 20 thousand on his team that year. I was like...how? Oh, then he explained that content creators can use their pack purchases as tax right offs. It is a business expense for them. So EA isn't going to touch them. They easily could, but why would EA destroy that revenue stream and face public backlash?
Next up, concerning my ban. I surmised that since both times I was playing a lot of House Rules--which meant I was quitting a lot of games because I wasn't going to win, and even if I could, it would take too much time given that the rewards level of HR needs so many wins. It is easier if you quit out and take the L.
So today, I was bored and wanted to see what I could do in H2H on my whopping level 13, post first ban team. A whole 75 overall. Well, I'm 0-8 or something, but I have only quit when losing. I'm trying to win games but obviously since my squad hasn't been matched up against anyone with a sub 90 team yet, it isn't going to happen. I'm waiting for those quits to cause a ban for me being a bot.
What is interesting though. When you quit now, you receive zero coins, but it say a loss gives 200, unlike HR, where you got 20. Did EA finally learn to wise up and not reward losing since most bots on their site can't win? Hmm.
