http://blog.bioware.com/2017/05/09/mass-effect-andromeda-patch-1-06-notes/
There you go people.
I personally don't care for multiplayer. I play games for enjoyment and most of my online game experience with random public players ware not very enjoyable. Due to different play styles and people that just plain want to ruin the fun for other players. That is why I stick to single player content 90% of the time.
I enjoy this game and have like 200 hrs on it, every play through I hope they would patch it before I finish so uncompleted quests, not completed due to bugs, can be completed. Well this seems to be wishful thinking. I stopped playing a week ago and read the news everyday to see any news on the next patch. It is frustrating to see nothing about single player. First it was a multiplayer DLC release with some fixes. Now its a multiplayer patch again.
Single player news is only "there is a patch coming soon". Really is that all we get. Please just update the known bug section on these forums, so we can see what your working on. I don''t need a exact date or time just a general time frame and some indication that the bugs we are having is being addressed. "Really Soon" does not say much. Your really soon can mean six months where as mine is the day after tomorrow.
it would be nice to know what's being worked on from time to time.
@CasperTheLich wrote:
it would be nice to know what's being worked on from time to time.
It seems to me that the issue lies in the definition of "from time to time" between BW and the players.
well, from time to time, i mean more than never...
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i was speaking metaphorically, no need to tell me they tweeted once.
54k is really good "TO START"! i mean sure you have to be qualified, but at first it is still alot of process learning for sure. while i know people who have for example moved to another town for 3 months to binge code for 70k (dude stayed at the "Y" and everything) and another who makes well over 150k a year (nuclear industry) they both fill very specialized positions. honestly.. and im sure @angrybunnie isnt going to like this.. but they are sitting on their duffs all day pushing buttons. not saving lives, not stopping crime, not swinging a pick or shovel, not building sky scrapers.. they are risking NOTHING, sitting in a climate controlled room tapping their fingers all day. im sorry, but they DO make bank compared to a teacher, police officer, fireman, laborer, or emt/paramedic for a VERY comfortable job. the LEAST they could do is perform their jobs competently! after all theres people who make ALOT less with ALOT more on the line.
I think they need to patch their Communication before patching the game.
@PandaTar wrote:
I think they need to patch their Communication before patching the game.
They need a patch to reality and expectations, but then without the mass hysteria and bitching, what would have to talk about?
I'm 99.9% certain that if they had talked about fixing a bunch of single-player things that people would be screaming that how dare they ignore their paying customers playing multi-player.
They, in effect, can't win for trying.
@PandaTar wrote:
I think they need to patch their Communication before patching the game.
You almost got me. I've got my coffee right next to me but I wasn't drinking at the time I read this.
BioWare have commented on what they were working on in the past, had to change their mind and then were called liars.
Just look at the trouble Hello Games got into for talking about what they were working on.
All good comments, really. I cannot argue with everyone who said $54K is a nice wage and and so on. I also happen to think that Teachers, Police officers, and Firefighters are underappreciated -- especially in states like Wisconsin where they have had cutbacks and screwed with their retirement. Further, having done a lot of work for healthcare companies, I can tell you that some developers and QA folks DO save lives and protect people. Even a button-pusher and accountant at a nuclear plant contributes to its smooth functioning and thus help to protect us from disaster. So, while some contributions may vary, everyone who goes out each day and works hard is contributing and deserves good management, respect, and a good wage -- be they a firefighter or someone who makes their coffee at Starbucks.
As for communicating, there are even companies out there who post their issues lists publicly and let users vote on the issues they want to see fixed first. Devs even post comments and fix ideas. Of course, their management makes the ultimate call on priorities, but the users get a pretty good picture of what is coming. There is no reason that BioWare has to be so closed-mouthed. Despite what apologists and fanbois may say -- and we have a few of those here,
angrybunnie wrote:As for communicating, there are even companies out there who post their issues lists publicly and let users vote on the issues they want to see fixed first. Devs even post comments and fix ideas. Of course, their management makes the ultimate call on priorities, but the users get a pretty good picture of what is coming. There is no reason that BioWare has to be so closed-mouthed. Despite what apologists and fanbois may say -- and we have a few of those here,
They are once bitten, twice shy after ME3. Basically, the reason the Devs don't talk anymore? Rabid, demanding fans with unrealistic expectations.
funny, i don't think i actually had any expectations this go around... though i still preordered this time. i must be a sad excuse for a... something, something, something.
@MEGAF1UX, a lot of very competent developers get caught up in this kind of crapola because they are in an organization that is poorly managed. You seem to want to blame the developers. I am a big believer in treating people like professionals and listening to your team -- THAT is leadership. Even the best developer cannot make a difference if his or her managers will not listen to, and respect, his or her professional recommendations about schedules, process, and other areas. I have seen it way too many times in my career. Like I said, the good ones give it an honest try, but often end of finding another job rather than try to influence a company hell-bent on 80 hour weeks and unrealistic schedules that ruin people's health and personal lives. The term "Death March" is often used to describe these projects.
On the other hand, a good management team can take a development group that is full of slackers and turn it around by implementing better processes, salvaging people that are salvageable through training, mentoring, and incentives, and by hiring new, more competent people to replace the hopeless cases.
If a release goes really badly, it really is a management issue because they are either not leading, not listening to the professionals that work for them, or they are allowing, or even encouraging, shoddy work -- often because they don't feel empowered to push back at their management, stockholders, or even customers.
I was not thrilled that CD Projekt Red delayed The Witcher 3, but I respect them telling for us that they were not going to ship the game before they felt it was ready. They are saying the same thing about Cyberpunk 2077. Yes, I am a bit of a fanboi for them, but really, my comments are more about the courage and integrity of the management decisions. We can agree to disagree about the game itself. :-)
@angrybunnie are you by chance talking about amplitude studios (developer of endless space and endless legend) when you say "there are even companies out there who post their issues lists publicly and let users vote on the issues they want to see fixed first" because.. well, sega is now their publisher.. so i dont think we will be seeing THAT particular bit of brilliance again.
ofcourse everyone deserves to be managed in a way that maximizes their potential, but until i see a barista take a bullet or run into a burning building i will never count them as important as a first responder. maybe its just my coarse view of reality but too many people THINK they have lives despite the fact that they do nothing to improve the world. i DO look forward to the rise of machines in that manner, it will be great to have a machine run into a burning building to save a family rather than having the task fall on humans. as you mentioned before we already have software that can troubleshoot code, so im astounded baristas are even a thing, weve had machines that can deposit fluids in a cup for decades after all.
if you must be a fanboy of anything.. you couldnt do much better than CDPR. i too respect their ideology and approach (plus you gotta love them for GOG). in an industry where i generally hate developers i once loved (bethesda, firaxis, sega, gearbox, no really i could do this for an hour) i really have nothing bad to say about them as developers.
@mcsupersport reddit? what do they think we are all 12? why wouldnt they be looking >HERE<? more of their asinine b/s! what next, "oh we check the feedback on fatchix.com so leave it there if you have any"? their entire approach is just STUPID, and ill be damned if im going to stop calling a spade a spade at this point.
for all those people crying about them not doing anything for single player.. YOU arent their long term sustainability, YOU arent the ones getting your friends to buy the game to play WITH you, and you arent the ones who will walk away and not look back. theyll fix the single player mode 20 times before they release all the paid DLC for this game (remember all MP dlc is supposed to be free) and they know from past experience that each time theyll pull you back in to atleast try again. single player people are easily regained, take a look at marvel heroes on pc or even darkspore.. once a multiplayer game has its population drop past a certain point its pretty much impossible to get it back (props to EA for keeping darkspore up as long as it did.. keeping the servers up for over a year with like 23 people a day playing the game is NOT something SOE would have done). so focusing on FIXING (see: NOT adding to) the multiplayer was the only real move they could make.
@MEGAF1UX, no I was not talking about amplitude, specifically. I am more of a casual gamer, so I rarely get involved at this level of discussion.
I think I will disagree with you about the value of people's contributions. I love the Chinese concept of kung fu -- the concept, not the cheesy 1970s David Carradine TV show. The idea is that one achieves kung fu in mastery of something -- whether you are a martial artist, baker, programmer, carpenter, or barista. The Japanese use the term kaizen to describe organizations focused on continuous improvement. I love and admire people who take their profession or vocation seriously and want to continuously improve their skills. By your terms, I do not risk anything. However, I spend 5 to 10 hours each week outside of work studying what I do so I can keep up with the rapid pace of technology, and so I can do a better job of helping people and organizations grow. And I get to write some cool software along the way. ;-) I am not a firefighter or police officer. I do not run into burning buildings. But, I have made a difference in a lot of people's lives. Whether helping them to be better professionals or helping them give customers get better service, get vendors get paid on time, have more efficient manufacturing, or whatever. I do not run into burning buildings, but maybe someone I mentored wrote the GPS software that gets the firefighters there in time to do so. You never know.
Sure you can buy a Jura fully automatic coffee machine, but I like and value the human touch.
As for CDPR, OMG, hah! I didn't realize they did GOG. LOL. I am glad they did not go the way of Valve and drop game development altogether.
@angrybunnie yea, it makes sense that CDPR does GOG if you think about their stance on DRM. infact at one point you could get the first witcher game free just for having an account there.
i DO understand your point with the whole self-improvement thing (i think its actually a taoist concept) but i dont think most people who work part time at starbucks have that level of commitment. YOU may, and thats great but i think alot of people do their job for a paycheck (DEVELOPERS INCLUDED) not for enlightenment or to attain perfect poise or anything of that nature. at the same time i am a hard core gamer (retired nearly 20 years ago) and generally hear about other peoples jobs. you can put importance on anything really, i can do nothing but listen to an icu nurse whinge about their job for 2 hours and im improving their life by giving them an outlet for that stress/disdain/misery.. is it really my accomplishment though? hes been doing it for like 20 years and the job has a 12 year burn out rate.. it must be accomplishing something. i guess i dont register it as important.
im going to guess that you are over 35.. NOT because of your position, but because of your work ethic. maybe YOU should work for bioware! they are hiring after all.
@MEGAF1UX, "listen to an icu nurse whinge about their job for 2 hours and im improving their life" -- that what they call therapists. ;-)
Hey, people find meaning where they can. I try not to judge (but i do anyway, don't we all?).
Age 35 was many years ago for me. I'll give you a hint, though. As a kid, I remember watching the Sound of Music when it was new in the theaters (my ticket was $0.25, really) and remember when William Shatner's Star Trek was a new show on TV.
BioWare may have job openings, but I am not sure the environment would be one that will appeal to me. I am always available for consulting. ;-)
@adrest4 wrote:
BioWare have commented on what they were working on in the past, had to change their mind and then were called liars.
Just look at the trouble Hello Games got into for talking about what they were working on.
Well, they shouldn't need to talk about "What" are they working on, but surely they could ask about what features people would like to see in the game. 🙂
And they did that.
But I guess nobody expected they would focus less on the visual/emotional story telling part. Yes, we have more content (open-world, exploration, which is good imo) , but specific ME "Key" features are missing from Andromeda. Those features give the game spice and immersion.
Obviously it's a lot of work , but ...i don't know... for sure there must be some balance. Maybe make next game shorter and have better visual story telling, more customisation, better character appearance ? oh well... we'll see
@MEGAF1UX wrote:
@mcsupersport reddit? what do they think we are all 12? why wouldnt they be looking >HERE<? more of their asinine b/s! what next, "oh we check the feedback on fatchix.com so leave it there if you have any"? their entire approach is just STUPID, and ill be damned if im going to stop calling a spade a spade at this point.
for all those people crying about them not doing anything for single player.. YOU arent their long term sustainability, YOU arent the ones getting your friends to buy the game to play WITH you, and you arent the ones who will walk away and not look back. theyll fix the single player mode 20 times before they release all the paid DLC for this game (remember all MP dlc is supposed to be free) and they know from past experience that each time theyll pull you back in to atleast try again. single player people are easily regained, take a look at marvel heroes on pc or even darkspore.. once a multiplayer game has its population drop past a certain point its pretty much impossible to get it back (props to EA for keeping darkspore up as long as it did.. keeping the servers up for over a year with like 23 people a day playing the game is NOT something SOE would have done). so focusing on FIXING (see: NOT adding to) the multiplayer was the only real move they could make.
I disagree.
I have talked the Mass Effect games up to a number of people over the years and convinced them to try it because I loved the story so much. On tumblr because I write fanfiction for several of the bioware games I have convinced many who just played DA or SWTOR to also try the others and so on. SP folks can easily talk friends into playing - just so they have someone else to bounce ideas and theories with oe to gush over favorite characters. Do not underestimate the importance of ME SP. Without it there would be no ME games.
@Nykara360 wrote:
I disagree.
I have talked the Mass Effect games up to a number of people over the years and convinced them to try it because I loved the story so much. On tumblr because I write fanfiction for several of the bioware games I have convinced many who just played DA or SWTOR to also try the others and so on. SP folks can easily talk friends into playing - just so they have someone else to bounce ideas and theories with oe to gush over favorite characters. Do not underestimate the importance of ME SP. Without it there would be no ME games.
Indeed. If the game revolved mostly around MP, they wouldn't bother making a SP campaign that takes 50-100 hours to play through on average and come out with 5 MP maps.
Nobody in their right mind would say, hey, we will get 80% revenue out of MP and 20% out of SP, so let's spend 95% of our resources on SP...
Eh, devil's advocate time, but... going forward how much of their revenue is going to be DLC vs. MP?
@arthurh3535 heh.. almost ALL of it. me and several people i play with would have paid 40 JUST for a multiplayer mass effect game, the single player can rot on the shelf as far as im concerned.. ill play it when ALL the content is released, but im not going to be a sheep and keep running back to the game every time they release a new dlc for single player. only a few ignorant souls will waste $ on the multiplayer, you would HAVE to be ignorant because once you understand how the drops work it becomes obvious that you arent going to buy your way to the top without an absurd amount of money.. and then what? assuming you spent 5000$ on the game you would have bought your way out of having ANY motivation to actually play the game because there would be no drops left to get.
@Nykara360 people who sit around reading fan fiction arent gamers. they are just bored people who will do anything (including play games) to waste time while waiting to die. im also going to have to assume they arent even sci-fi fans if they have to be "talked into" playing one of the most iconic sci-fi games ever made. know what works though? seeing 12 people on your friend list all playing mass effect andromeda multiplayer, because even if they dont ask they receive the message. its subliminal. the mind says "i wish to be part of that group" without the person actually thinking it. doesnt apply to single player things though, because those are all "personal".
@MEGAF1UX wrote:
@angrybunnie are you by chance talking about amplitude studios (developer of endless space and endless legend) when you say "there are even companies out there who post their issues lists publicly and let users vote on the issues they want to see fixed first" because.. well, sega is now their publisher.. so i dont think we will be seeing THAT particular bit of brilliance again.
Well, Endless Space 2 is superb - actually I *do* find it brilliant... :-)
