Well I'm 40 and went through the entire trilogy.. and also played this one. TBH I actually love this game even more than I loved ME1 or at least as much. Shep and Ryder are different characters- they are supposed to be. You have a crew full of civvies that just happen to poses skills useful to the pathfinder. Its not supposed to be structured the same. I would not for a second say it is lighter in terms of story though. What the Kett do is very horrible. I also don't recall finding some place folks were eating human meat in the original trilogy 😖. There was some very story dark area's in this game. Easily as dark as some of the stuff we found in ME1.
I love the discovery side too. From having zero clue about anything remnant to having more info about them by the end - yet still enough mystery to want more.
I seriously don't understand a lot of peoples negativity over this game.
I literally...am pissed that I still can't go further into this game because of a bug.
That being said, "I think i pissed that one off, maybe because I shot it in the face." Are...are you serious? I would've spaced Liam if I got the chance to do so, he's supposed to be comic relief and i get that, BUT Drak is more humorous that Liam.
I really feel like the team doesn't FULLY take in the seriousness of the plot (both in game AND back in Montreal). Yeah you are some noob little spitfuck that has no real knowledge of the situation...but regardless BOTH Ryder's and Alec had some form of formal training from the Alliance. This laxxed "I don't know what to do" attitude is mind numbingly boring, and I think the real reason behind that is because WE lack an ACTUAL Para/Ren system. It down plays the story as bland because of that, AND because no matter what you say the other option says the EXACT SAME THING. I'd rather play as a gd Krogan.
@Psych0_Trauma wrote:
...BUT Drak is more humorous that Liam.
I really feel like the team doesn't FULLY take in the seriousness of the plot (both in game AND back in Montreal). Yeah you are some noob little spitfuck that has no real knowledge of the situation...but regardless BOTH Ryder's and Alec had some form of formal training from the Alliance. This laxxed "I don't know what to do" attitude is mind numbingly boring, and I think the real reason behind that is because WE lack an ACTUAL Para/Ren system. It down plays the story as bland because of that, AND because no matter what you say the other option says the EXACT SAME THING. I'd rather play as a gd Krogan.
Drack has probably the most character and best quotes among the crew members so comparing him to Liam is not a good comparison although Liam aint that bad character as many people think but whatever, its just my opinion.
Your crew here consists mostly of people with the same age like you, simply because at that age they thought its a good thing to start a new life somewhere else. Which is why Alec brought the team together like that, young people usually having better ideas, more keen to explore and try new things. Because thats when people do the stupidest,craziest things, as we get older many habits die, we get sloppier and so on. Obviously they are not dedicated veterans/warlords (Wrex), person with perfect genes (Miranda), a justicar (Samara) or the craziest biotic in the galaxy (Jack) just to name a few. But thats the point, now you start from 0 with your team and get more and more insight of whats going on around you instead of getting a crew full of professionals and a hero like Shepard, which is why its not called ME4.
There is a paragon/renegade system, called quick time events. For example shooting the Cardinal, shooting Reyes, hugging Cora - in the trilogy the previous 2 would be marked with red icon, while the last one blue. Its even telling you what's gonna happen.
ye shepard was such a badass ... no wait you was constantly being owned by the enemy specially in me 1 :D don't get me started on Kai Leng the super ninja that effortlessly almost killed you in me 3 but i suppose the rose tinted glasses are strong with some people that can't adapt or move on :D
the profession level of the crew was also highly questionable specially the dlc companions
kai lame wasn't hard at all, just irritating, and insufferable. in those cutscene losses, they just made me cringe most of the time.
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so thanks for reminding me. *cringes* 😕
@CasperTheLich wrote:
kai lame wasn't hard at all, just irritating, and insufferable. in those cutscene losses, they just made me cringe most of the time.
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so thanks for reminding me. *cringes* 😕
Just let Garrus take care of him (and everything else for that matter. Can you say OP?)
I would of went with the three most common complaints are:
1) WHAT is up with the faces?
2) Why isn't this more like the original series?
3) Really. WHY isn't this more like the original series?!?!🙂
They did choose a different way of storytelling and to shift focus from instant hero to spending the game creating one. It is like you got to play out Shep's backstory culminating with your final character choice. Not sure what they're planning to do with it. Episodic adventures? Now the saga to save Andromeda really begins? We drop this story completely and tell a different one from a different perspective in the same setting?
Once I got over it not being ME1-3 it isn't that bad of a game. I still backslide sometimes, and still miss the original series and wish it were more of the same, but I also kinda want to move forward with this one.
@jpcerutti1 wrote:I would of went with the three most common complaints are:
1) WHAT is up with the faces?
2) Why isn't this more like the original series?
3) Really. WHY isn't this more like the original series?!?!🙂
They did choose a different way of storytelling and to shift focus from instant hero to spending the game creating one. It is like you got to play out Shep's backstory culminating with your final character choice. Not sure what they're planning to do with it. Episodic adventures? Now the saga to save Andromeda really begins? We drop this story completely and tell a different one from a different perspective in the same setting?
Once I got over it not being ME1-3 it isn't that bad of a game. I still backslide sometimes, and still miss the original series and wish it were more of the same, but I also kinda want to move forward with this one.
it really is an ok game. as i've said a few times, it's just for bioware an ok game is basically a bad game, in comparison.
@RoastPotato26 wrote:
@Psych0_Trauma wrote:...BUT Drak is more humorous that Liam.
I really feel like the team doesn't FULLY take in the seriousness of the plot (both in game AND back in Montreal). Yeah you are some noob little spitfuck that has no real knowledge of the situation...but regardless BOTH Ryder's and Alec had some form of formal training from the Alliance. This laxxed "I don't know what to do" attitude is mind numbingly boring, and I think the real reason behind that is because WE lack an ACTUAL Para/Ren system. It down plays the story as bland because of that, AND because no matter what you say the other option says the EXACT SAME THING. I'd rather play as a gd Krogan.
Drack has probably the most character and best quotes among the crew members so comparing him to Liam is not a good comparison although Liam aint that bad character as many people think but whatever, its just my opinion.
Your crew here consists mostly of people with the same age like you, simply because at that age they thought its a good thing to start a new life somewhere else. Which is why Alec brought the team together like that, young people usually having better ideas, more keen to explore and try new things. Because thats when people do the stupidest,craziest things, as we get older many habits die, we get sloppier and so on. Obviously they are not dedicated veterans/warlords (Wrex), person with perfect genes (Miranda), a justicar (Samara) or the craziest biotic in the galaxy (Jack) just to name a few. But thats the point, now you start from 0 with your team and get more and more insight of whats going on around you instead of getting a crew full of professionals and a hero like Shepard, which is why its not called ME4.
There is a paragon/renegade system, called quick time events. For example shooting the Cardinal, shooting Reyes, hugging Cora - in the trilogy the previous 2 would be marked with red icon, while the last one blue. Its even telling you what's gonna happen.
Yeah, I've said it before, Drak is really good at acting. Even if the lines are simple, he knows how to make them sound good 🙂 Vetra too, Turians in general. But the Asari not really. I remember many Asari having way better tones in previous ME: Consort, Liara, Nassana Dantius, the Asari Spectre, the police officer when recruiting Samara, Aria, even the Asari at stores or assistants. I understand these are younger, but they have different tones, tempers.... i don't know... just missing something
@CasperTheLich wrote:
@jpcerutti1 wrote:I would of went with the three most common complaints are:
1) WHAT is up with the faces?
2) Why isn't this more like the original series?
3) Really. WHY isn't this more like the original series?!?!🙂
They did choose a different way of storytelling and to shift focus from instant hero to spending the game creating one. It is like you got to play out Shep's backstory culminating with your final character choice. Not sure what they're planning to do with it. Episodic adventures? Now the saga to save Andromeda really begins? We drop this story completely and tell a different one from a different perspective in the same setting?
Once I got over it not being ME1-3 it isn't that bad of a game. I still backslide sometimes, and still miss the original series and wish it were more of the same, but I also kinda want to move forward with this one.
it really is an ok game. as i've said a few times, it's just for bioware an ok game is basically a bad game, in comparison.
Yes agreed. And they are all from Milky Way in the first place, not sure why change of faces or population attitude. Specially the Asari and Salarians are nothing like the ones back in Milky Way. The way they talk (Asari/Salarians), the way the look (Asari). It's like an offset, completely different. hmmm... for ex: Liara was young, but she knew how to act, be mellow, be tough 🙂
Maybe it's the cryopods that changed them .. lol 🤔
Honestly I think some people have rose coloured glasses when it comes to the original trilogy.
ME1 - side missions - just another bunker that looked like every other bunker in the game. Silence driving around in the mako save for its own sounds, the crew never spoke. Side mission after side mission of clicking a datapadd or console at the end for some text on the screen. Only a very select few were voiced.
ME2. Scanning. Scanning. More scanning. Oh and probe launching. Again side missions with no voicing. The suicide mission however was one of the best.
Thane - LI completely forgotten to even be an LI in ME3 had to be fixed via dlc.
Cheating Jacob and lets not forget that creepy * loyalty mission of his.
Miranda - treated like a * throughout the game just because she wore sexy clothing.
Diana Allers.
Jokers extremely inappropriate jokes and inappropriate times. (As much as I liked the char he also annoyed me at times.)
Sexbot Edi. Who was apparently the only date a disabled person could get (flawed writing at its finest, disabled guy couldn't even get a real person)
The ending.
I could continue but it's safe to say every game has it's flaws. Or more to the point things people don't like based on personal tastes, which is also different for each individual.
@Nykara360 wrote:Honestly I think some people have rose coloured glasses when it comes to the original trilogy.
ME1 - side missions - just another bunker that looked like every other bunker in the game. Silence driving around in the mako save for its own sounds, the crew never spoke. Side mission after side mission of clicking a datapadd or console at the end for some text on the screen. Only a very select few were voiced.
ME2. Scanning. Scanning. More scanning. Oh and probe launching. Again side missions with no voicing. The suicide mission however was one of the best.
Thane - LI completely forgotten to even be an LI in ME3 had to be fixed via dlc.
Cheating Jacob and lets not forget that creepy * loyalty mission of his.
Miranda - treated like a * throughout the game just because she wore sexy clothing.
Diana Allers.
Jokers extremely inappropriate jokes and inappropriate times. (As much as I liked the char he also annoyed me at times.)
Sexbot Edi. Who was apparently the only date a disabled person could get (flawed writing at its finest, disabled guy couldn't even get a real person)
The ending.
I could continue but it's safe to say every game has it's flaws. Or more to the point things people don't like based on personal tastes, which is also different for each individual.
One thing that is different, and that I like, is I'll feel like I earned it in the future and it's personal. Pathfinder bootcamp.
Shep's speechiness about making hard choices rang a little hollow. They were easy choices for me AND there were ways to avoid making any enemies at all with them. Here that's not happening. I'm earning it, good or bad, instead of it being given to me with a rank and a title at the beginning of the game. If I turn into a violent, angry, bitter pathfinder because I resent the galaxy, or any parts of it, that would make sense - instead of just laughing and saying "MAN can Shep be an *" If I become a paragon I *am* a paragon... and will have turned the other cheek many times and let a lot of things go. Tali got to grow like that in the first series; I wonder if I can too.
The Roekkar were going to hate me regardess - but now it is personal and I understand why... and hate them a little too. I will feel so full of myself when I give Morda the snarky interrupt in her version of the Daltross argument - instead of just saying "that's what a renegade Shep would do". Instead of just shaking my head and wondering aloud for a line if I'm maybe a VI I actually wonder if I am half AI now - crew reassurance would be welcome, but wouldn't put it to rest.
So much potential here if they use it as character development instead of a fully told tale.
to bad me 3 was the worse in the series trainwreck of a storyline bioware: choices matter ...... bioware: wait not they don't trolled ya .... knowing trollware the 4th ending will be the canon one which means the cycle contiunes and everyone died would explain the lack of reply to the arrival beacon
@Nykara360 wrote:Honestly I think some people have rose coloured glasses when it comes to the original trilogy.
ME1 - side missions - just another bunker that looked like every other bunker in the game. Silence driving around in the mako save for its own sounds, the crew never spoke. Side mission after side mission of clicking a datapadd or console at the end for some text on the screen. Only a very select few were voiced.
ME2. Scanning. Scanning. More scanning. Oh and probe launching. Again side missions with no voicing. The suicide mission however was one of the best.
The ending.
I could continue but it's safe to say every game has it's flaws. Or more to the point things people don't like based on personal tastes, which is also different for each individual.
And yet, they brought back a mako to wander around endlessly, and sadly no song will save the fatidic job and side quests, and look, they had 10 years to work that around. They also brought back the scanning, more scanning. And the ending is here too, no matter how they say it didn't affect, they are just bringing in only too much from the trilogy, which I did hope they wouldn't, and the originality of a good story telling, where did it go?
ME1 was somehow known as lift simulator, because we had so much time going up and down those lifts. On ME2, we basically had elevators on our ship, which wasn't that annoying, because it was fast. ME3 too. They sort of learned that spending too much time idle or wasted on animations was not very good. MEA brought too much of these issues, so I wonder why. Did people say they enjoyed looking at planets going in and out of zoom, for example? Bah, that planet scanning was so damn boring, and yet, they brought it back.
So, although we feel like they were flaws, they got back all the same. Why?
@PandaTar wrote:
@Nykara360 wrote:Honestly I think some people have rose coloured glasses when it comes to the original trilogy.
ME1 - side missions - just another bunker that looked like every other bunker in the game. Silence driving around in the mako save for its own sounds, the crew never spoke. Side mission after side mission of clicking a datapadd or console at the end for some text on the screen. Only a very select few were voiced.
ME2. Scanning. Scanning. More scanning. Oh and probe launching. Again side missions with no voicing. The suicide mission however was one of the best.
The ending.
I could continue but it's safe to say every game has it's flaws. Or more to the point things people don't like based on personal tastes, which is also different for each individual.
And yet, they brought back a mako to wander around endlessly, and sadly no song will save the fatidic job and side quests, and look, they had 10 years to work that around. They also brought back the scanning, more scanning. And the ending is here too, no matter how they say it didn't affect, they are just bringing in only too much from the trilogy, which I did hope they wouldn't, and the originality of a good story telling, where did it go?
ME1 was somehow known as lift simulator, because we had so much time going up and down those lifts. On ME2, we basically had elevators on our ship, which wasn't that annoying, because it was fast. ME3 too. They sort of learned that spending too much time idle or wasted on animations was not very good. MEA brought too much of these issues, so I wonder why. Did people say they enjoyed looking at planets going in and out of zoom, for example? Bah, that planet scanning was so damn boring, and yet, they brought it back.
So, although we feel like they were flaws, they got back all the same. Why?
There is minor scanning in andromeda compaired to ME2. You also don't even have to do it if you dont want.
The Nomad handles way better than the mako ever did and you dont go into 100 of the same bunker, you fight uptop on planets where the terrain is vastly different and much more eye pleasing.
All the side quests are voiced, unlike previous games. They also give you more info and detail into andromeda and the planets - kinda needed since we know nothing about them.
I hated the linear existance of ME3. It even made the game way too short. It even felt too short compaired to the others. This way of giving extra to make the game last longer, far more preferable to the 100 of the same bunkers or hours scanning planets for resources. I didn’t even get bored doing the side quests, not even the second time through.
P.S. the whole game, the whole reason for going to andromeda is exploration. To see whats out there .. it would then make zero sense to just not go see whats out there once you arrive.
@ViViD_Prime wrote:to bad me 3 was the worse in the series trainwreck of a storyline bioware: choices matter ...... bioware: wait not they don't trolled ya .... knowing trollware the 4th ending will be the canon one which means the cycle contiunes and everyone died would explain the lack of reply to the arrival beacon
in just about any me3 ending the galaxy was pretty much a total mess, there might not be enough people left after the reaper war who were aware of the initiative in the first place. though i guess there's still liara, but perhaps she forgot after 600 years, or was killed during the beam run? so it's quite possible the milkyway isn't looking for a signal from andromeda, and not just because no one's left to hear it. and if you're not looking for something, you're not very likely to find it, are you? i'm also guessing the initiative was going to use QECs to keep in contact with the milkyway, some how... honestly i'm not sure how that whole QEC com-system even works, with the multiple feeds and connections, and uplinks, etc.
@CasperTheLich wrote:
@ViViD_Prime wrote:to bad me 3 was the worse in the series trainwreck of a storyline bioware: choices matter ...... bioware: wait not they don't trolled ya .... knowing trollware the 4th ending will be the canon one which means the cycle contiunes and everyone died would explain the lack of reply to the arrival beacon
in just about any me3 ending the galaxy was pretty much a total mess, there might not be enough people left after the reaper war who were aware of the initiative in the first place. though i guess there's still liara, but perhaps she forgot after 600 years, or was killed during the beam run? so it's quite possible the milkyway isn't looking for a signal from andromeda, and not just because no one's left to hear it. and if you're not looking for something, you're not very likely to find it, are you? i'm also guessing the initiative was going to use QECs to keep in contact with the milkyway, some how... honestly i'm not sure how that whole QEC com-system even works, with the multiple feeds and connections, and uplinks, etc.
After 600 years anything could have happened in the MW. Maybe they are all at war with each other or the rachni or the krogan eventually no matter your choice (because 600yrs!) got cured and they are fighting them. Or all the QE devices were outdated and removed. It could literally be anything.
@Nykara360 wrote:There is minor scanning in andromeda compaired to ME2. You also don't even have to do it if you dont want.
The Nomad handles way better than the mako ever did and you dont go into 100 of the same bunker, you fight uptop on planets where the terrain is vastly different and much more eye pleasing.All the side quests are voiced, unlike previous games. They also give you more info and detail into andromeda and the planets - kinda needed since we know nothing about them.I hated the linear existance of ME3. It even made the game way too short. It even felt too short compaired to the others. This way of giving extra to make the game last longer, far more preferable to the 100 of the same bunkers or hours scanning planets for resources. I didn’t even get bored doing the side quests, not even the second time through.P.S. the whole game, the whole reason for going to andromeda is exploration. To see whats out there .. it would then make zero sense to just not go see whats out there once you arrive.
You don't have to scan ME2 either, although the consequences there are dire if you don't. The process in ME2 is annoying and boring, yet, it has consequences if you don't. In MEA, you can skip, as you said, and it's fewer, and there's no impact if you don't, so why do they even bothered adding it, adding the annoying part and not the useful one?
Thank God they improved graphics and vehicle handling! It shows that something improved in 10 years. And of course it bores, today, getting the same bunker many times. Differently from you, though, I got bored of the quests in Andromeda while I was doing them, because, frankly, you can attest yourself, ain't them all the basically the same fetch, scan, kill and puzzle formula on all planets? They only changed the dialogue voices, the eye candy landscape and the label of things. All planets have the same basic layout of things to do, only the illusion they are really different from the repetitive bunkers all over again. I would hope for a shorter game with less repetitive things. But alas, that's what we got. I think the game would provide a better and unique experience if they had only 1 big planet that had you doing really unique tasks, side-quests and whatnot, instead of generalizing and streaming a couple of formulas and disguising them with different colours and voice acting. This matter is a feature in Open World games, because you are not story-telling the game any more, which is something I miss from previous games, and I'm sure many others are on the same boat.
I get your point on ME3. Although the length of the game didn't bother me much, it felt urgent. I'm sure that was their point, as the point you are explaining on your Andromeda P.S.. Whilst I still think the game gives you too much slack on the urging matter at hand to help the Nexus – Addison insistently reminding you they are starving –, ME3 had you focused from beginning to end on your task, which didn't require you to dawdle and sightseeing. If you get the point on exploration on Andromeda, you get the point on the urgency at ME3, even if you didn't like it, right? Still, Citadel helped prolonging a bit our demise in an elegant and nostalgic manner. ^_^ I just so hope MEA get on track that will allow luxuries such as that.
And don't get me wrong. What I'm pointing out is that many 'flaws' or things many people complained on games back then RETURNED, for no apparent reason, whilst others were improved (which was the least to be expected, really) and some were moved around. Like the banter we had in the lifts back in ME1 when going around the Citadel; even then, you prove Saren's guilt only by strolling about the place, which is kinda lame. Now the banter happens in the Nomad, which makes our travels less boring. It's an improvement as well, a way to have some content on the travels, but it's also an obvious expiation showing they know walking around the Nomad, as well as it was in the Mako, is prone to get tiresome.
I wished MEA had more of itself, and less of other games. It looks like a soup of features blended together. Too slapped on the make-up too.
@PandaTar wrote:
@Nykara360 wrote:There is minor scanning in andromeda compaired to ME2. You also don't even have to do it if you dont want.
The Nomad handles way better than the mako ever did and you dont go into 100 of the same bunker, you fight uptop on planets where the terrain is vastly different and much more eye pleasing.All the side quests are voiced, unlike previous games. They also give you more info and detail into andromeda and the planets - kinda needed since we know nothing about them.I hated the linear existance of ME3. It even made the game way too short. It even felt too short compaired to the others. This way of giving extra to make the game last longer, far more preferable to the 100 of the same bunkers or hours scanning planets for resources. I didn’t even get bored doing the side quests, not even the second time through.P.S. the whole game, the whole reason for going to andromeda is exploration. To see whats out there .. it would then make zero sense to just not go see whats out there once you arrive.
You don't have to scan ME2 either, although the consequences there are dire if you don't. The process in ME2 is annoying and boring, yet, it has consequences if you don't. In MEA, you can skip, as you said, and it's fewer, and there's no impact if you don't, so why do they even bothered adding it, adding the annoying part and not the useful one?
Thank God they improved graphics and vehicle handling! It shows that something improved in 10 years. And of course it bores, today, getting the same bunker many times. Differently from you, though, I got bored of the quests in Andromeda while I was doing them, because, frankly, you can attest yourself, ain't them all the basically the same fetch, scan, kill and puzzle formula on all planets? They only changed the dialogue voices, the eye candy landscape and the label of things. All planets have the same basic layout of things to do, only the illusion they are really different from the repetitive bunkers all over again. I would hope for a shorter game with less repetitive things. But alas, that's what we got. I think the game would provide a better and unique experience if they had only 1 big planet that had you doing really unique tasks, side-quests and whatnot, instead of generalizing and streaming a couple of formulas and disguising them with different colours and voice acting. This matter is a feature in Open World games, because you are not story-telling the game any more, which is something I miss from previous games, and I'm sure many others are on the same boat.
I get your point on ME3. Although the length of the game didn't bother me much, it felt urgent. I'm sure that was their point, as the point you are explaining on your Andromeda P.S.. Whilst I still think the game gives you too much slack on the urging matter at hand to help the Nexus – Addison insistently reminding you they are starving –, ME3 had you focused from beginning to end on your task, which didn't require you to dawdle and sightseeing. If you get the point on exploration on Andromeda, you get the point on the urgency at ME3, even if you didn't like it, right? Still, Citadel helped prolonging a bit our demise in an elegant and nostalgic manner. ^_^ I just so hope MEA get on track that will allow luxuries such as that.
And don't get me wrong. What I'm pointing out is that many 'flaws' or things many people complained on games back then RETURNED, for no apparent reason, whilst others were improved (which was the least to be expected, really) and some were moved around. Like the banter we had in the lifts back in ME1 when going around the Citadel; even then, you prove Saren's guilt only by strolling about the place, which is kinda lame. Now the banter happens in the Nomad, which makes our travels less boring. It's an improvement as well, a way to have some content on the travels, but it's also an obvious expiation showing they know walking around the Nomad, as well as it was in the Mako, is prone to get tiresome.
I wished MEA had more of itself, and less of other games. It looks like a soup of features blended together. Too slapped on the make-up too.
I guess everyone has different tastes. I didn’t find driving around the nomad to be tiresome because there was so many amazing scenaries to see across the planets and because it handles well theres zero frustration. While there are a few of those find three devices etc in camps quests it didn't feel like too many - most of the i found on the way to other quests and a lot of the quests from npcs i found diverse enough to be interesting. Some made me laugh, some totally creeped me out and others added to MEA lore. Maybe playing on normal made it less bothersome, didn't have to deal with bullet sponge npcs, just enjoy the exploration and stories.
