Liam..
The poor guy, so many seem to not like him. So what I want to know is who out there does like him and what you like about him.. Haters can stay away please! Just Liam positive here. One thread in wh...
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@Rappeldrache wrote:Your right @Nykara360 : Why the men get a nice, friendly, loyal Liara? A sweet Tali. A crazy, wild Jack. A serious Ashley or a really HOT Miranda. Give the females just HALF of the choice the men have. Give us .... yes, why we don't have something like Kal'Reegar. A "normal, friendly hero".
What do you mean with Liara? The women get Liara too.
Now in ME1, the field was pretty even I would think. You had one choice for male shepard only (Ashley), one for female only (Kaidan) and one for both (Liara). Of course Liara does look female so it's clear that the focus is very on male heterosexual players as there is no male-male romance possible.
Then in ME2, this is clearly the same. The difference between ME1 and 2 being that you have 3 options in each category totalling 8 romance options. Again the romance options than go either with a male or female shepard all look female (2 asari and a human female).
But I do have to say that I am wondering how the same amount of options for femshep only as male shep only translates to so much inequality to you as a woman. For me so far the only group of players losing out in ME1 and 2 are the gay male players.
Then let's see ME3. Here it gets a lot trickier because some of the romance options are dependent on what happened in ME1 and ME2 or having the Citadel DLC. There are many that are continuations and are only options if you pursued a relationship with them previously. Still, the choices are there since you can create a new character and dictate that history. So there is in my view a lean towards choices for a male shepard, also introducing male-male relationships. Overall you can see that the male shepard has the most options when it comes to the opposite sex. There is no denying that, the numbers are there. I think if they had made Diane Allers a male reporter it would've done a lot to tip the balance.
So only in ME3 do you see that difference really. Why? Well, probably because even today the vast majority of players of games like this are probably still male heterosexual gamers.
As a sidenote, you mention that Miranda is really hot and Ashley is serious, but I'd say that Ashley is also really hot particulary in ME3.
I really don't think that Bioware is wanting to get rid of female players though. I mean how many other game makers have all these romance options and ME:A is divided fairly evenly. I mean realy, I don't know. Which other games of other game makers have such romance options as we have here? I honestly don't know.
And in the end I am a male heterosexual player who prefers playing female characters but still wants to romance females. Whatever, it's how I tick. I prefer female protagonists but I also want to romance female counterparts if that makes sense to anyone. So I would also have liked more female romances to be available to femshep, but I didn't get that. I will never be able to romance Ashley, Jack or Miranda from that point of view. But you know, that's kinda how things go. Not every love interest is reciprocated. So I accept that.
EgoMania wrote:
Rappeldrache wrote:
Your right @Nykara360 : Why the men get a nice, friendly, loyal Liara? A sweet Tali. A crazy, wild Jack. A serious Ashley or a really HOT Miranda. Give the females just HALF of the choice the men have. Give us .... yes, why we don't have something like Kal'Reegar. A "normal, friendly hero".
What do you mean with Liara? The women get Liara too.
Now in ME1, the field was pretty even I would think. You had one choice for male shepard only (Ashley), one for female only (Kaidan) and one for both (Liara). Of course Liara does look female so it's clear that the focus is very on male heterosexual players as there is no male-male romance possible.
Then in ME2, this is clearly the same. The difference between ME1 and 2 being that you have 3 options in each category totalling 8 romance options. Again the romance options than go either with a male or female shepard all look female (2 asari and a human female).
But I do have to say that I am wondering how the same amount of options for femshep only as male shep only translates to so much inequality to you as a woman. For me so far the only group of players losing out in ME1 and 2 are the gay male players.
Then let's see ME3. Here it gets a lot trickier because some of the romance options are dependent on what happened in ME1 and ME2 or having the Citadel DLC. There are many that are continuations and are only options if you pursued a relationship with them previously. Still, the choices are there since you can create a new character and dictate that history. So there is in my view a lean towards choices for a male shepard, also introducing male-male relationships. Overall you can see that the male shepard has the most options when it comes to the opposite sex. There is no denying that, the numbers are there. I think if they had made Diane Allers a male reporter it would've done a lot to tip the balance.
So only in ME3 do you see that difference really. Why? Well, probably because even today the vast majority of players of games like this are probably still male heterosexual gamers.
As a sidenote, you mention that Miranda is really hot and Ashley is serious, but I'd say that Ashley is also really hot particulary in ME3.
I really don't think that Bioware is wanting to get rid of female players though. I mean how many other game makers have all these romance options and ME:A is divided fairly evenly. I mean realy, I don't know. Which other games of other game makers have such romance options as we have here? I honestly don't know.
And in the end I am a male heterosexual player who prefers playing female characters but still wants to romance females. Whatever, it's how I tick. I prefer female protagonists but I also want to romance female counterparts if that makes sense to anyone. So I would also have liked more female romances to be available to femshep, but I didn't get that. I will never be able to romance Ashley, Jack or Miranda from that point of view. But you know, that's kinda how things go. Not every love interest is reciprocated. So I accept that.
The difference being the males romance options in ME2 carried over into ME3. For the females they did not.
Also you got two female human choices and 1 alien. We got one human, two aliens and out of those one cheats in ME3 and the other dies. The only one that carries is Garrus. Since Miranda, Jack, Tali and Liara(LotSB) all carry into ME3 hows that equal exactly?
@Nykara360 wrote:The difference being the males romance options in ME2 carried over into ME3. For the females they did not.
Also you got two female human choices and 1 alien. We got one human, two aliens and out of those one cheats in ME3 and the other dies. The only one that carries is Garrus. Since Miranda, Jack, Tali and Liara(LotSB) all carry into ME3 hows that equal exactly?
As I said, it's not equal in ME3. Only ME1 and 2 had an equal division except for male-male relationships which didn't exist at all. So why you think that I said it was equal is rather a mystery to me. You really made that up completely, I never said it was equal but I do think BW gave more options than other games.
And ME3 at least introduced male-male relationships which was a much bigger inequality. I find it a shame that most people seem to have no thought for that scenario.
And let's not get stuck in the past anyway. The Shepard story is done and if you look at ME:A I think they made things rather more equal, don't you think? In fact a female Ryder has 2 male human options and a male Ryder only has 1 female human option.
And really, how many story driven RPGs are out there that give you the option to play both a male or female protagonist that both have romance options across genders? If you do, tell me, cause I'd like to check them out. But I think the truth is that most RPGs that come out these days still have mostly male protagonists and very limited romance options if any at all.
Feel free to prove me wrong. I'd love to know about more games like this but I fear that outside of BW games there isn't a whole ot of that going on.
You tell me...
@EgoMania wrote:
@Nykara360 wrote:The difference being the males romance options in ME2 carried over into ME3. For the females they did not.
Also you got two female human choices and 1 alien. We got one human, two aliens and out of those one cheats in ME3 and the other dies. The only one that carries is Garrus. Since Miranda, Jack, Tali and Liara(LotSB) all carry into ME3 hows that equal exactly?
As I said, it's not equal in ME3. Only ME1 and 2 had an equal division except for male-male relationships which didn't exist at all. So why you think that I said it was equal is rather a mystery to me. You really made that up completely, I never said it was equal but I do think BW gave more options than other games.
And ME3 at least introduced male-male relationships which was a much bigger inequality. I find it a shame that most people seem to have no thought for that scenario.
And let's not get stuck in the past anyway. The Shepard story is done and if you look at ME:A I think they made things rather more equal, don't you think? In fact a female Ryder has 2 male human options and a male Ryder only has 1 female human option.
And really, how many story driven RPGs are out there that give you the option to play both a male or female protagonist that both have romance options across genders? If you do, tell me, cause I'd like to check them out. But I think the truth is that most RPGs that come out these days still have mostly male protagonists and very limited romance options if any at all.
Feel free to prove me wrong. I'd love to know about more games like this but I fear that outside of BW games there isn't a whole ot of that going on.
You tell me...
If you read my past posts in multiple threads since this games release you'd know Ive stated many times the m/m romances got shafted even more.. but the f/m romances are only marginally better ... in that they exist.
