@illequine @GigaChadEnhanced He proved my point and I quote: "Upgraded or properly used weapon based builds weapons are more than good enough in higher difficulties, still there are some weapons that are just trash no matter what you do with them"
Stop using m-8 Avenger! LOL! :eahigh_file:
re: meinChurru - again..
I'm done discussing anything with you rationally. You appear to just want be contrary for no real reason.
Also, i don't use the avenger anymore, and haven't since i was Apex 1k, i'm at 9.3k atm and my opinion has not swayed that 90% of the AR's are rubbish on silver and gold, and they all work well on bronze.
You may have confused me with someone else. And by that logic, you may have confused Bronze for Gold.
The colours are similar.
What are we even arguing about? I have posted numerous times I think weapons are underpowered for the most part, I am agreeing with you guys. Just not on the bullet sponge enemies that is simply not true.
Various recent quotes of mine:
"I am not suggesting that weapons aren't weak."
"It takes me to max out my weapon based skills in Turian Havoc to even make weapons "normal" feeling"
"In my opinion the difficulties are actually too easy when you play any of the viable playstyles"
"The vast majority of weapons (which there are a giant amount of) are supremely outclassed by a very select few."
"Weapons need to be tweaked heavily. The vast majority of weapons are completely obsolete compared to the select few that are actually the only ones that are pretty much viable. I can't even think of a single assault rifle that is viable, except for the grenade launcher and that can hardly even be called one!"
and @GigaChadEnhanced Don't have any guns? Just go VG melee farm money then get guns! I wanted to prove my point (for fun) my FIRST silver on a level 1 HUMAN VG only using the starter katana (not like I got any medals for it anyway lol) shotgun: http://imgur.com/a/RDFcy
Still working on actual weapon comparisons. Don't know why it shows up so small.
And don't get on to me about being forced to play melee roles to be viable either I am working on that. I'm just saying it's not the end of the world if your gun is trash. I'll do the same thing on a human biotic or engineer if people think only melee is the only thing viable in silver+.
so the gold armor right now adds 75% melee damage and 10% shields.. are you kids REALLY thinking the gold weapon armor WONT be comparable? the items ARE in the game, you can look at them in collections! they havent been in rotation yet, but its obvious they are there.. yet you want them to balance the game for YOUR playstyle (which is apparently trash)? im top 50 on the leaderboard and its NOT because im trying, its simply a matter of getting better every day and blocking dullards so they dont end up in my lobby. i mainly use melee though at this point im working on my prestige which means going through and using every single gun (everything else is pretty much done.. still got apex missions to go but that is simply time) and obviously they arent all created equally. but to pretend i am some destiny * is laughable.. i dont play any military based fps's either before you reach for that straw... my background is in unreal.
do yourselves a favor and simply dont play the game for a month so all the armors can be out and the final coat of polish can be applied to the game AS IMAGINED. at that point youll atleast know what you are complaining about as opposed to what you are doing right now which is crying without even knowing why.
That is melee. If you compare it to an adaptive war amp for actual power damage it only adds 15%. The closest comparison to what the weapon equipment will add baseline (Turian Havoc weapon passives+ turbocharge) the majority of weapons are still garbage and underperform - and turian havoc has tons of other buffs aside from straight up damage. The less bad weapons just feel normal. All that amp will do is make weapons more normal feeling and they shouldn't feel normal with an amp they should feel upgraded. I can almost guarantee you though it won't be a 75% weapon damage boost, and if it is I'll laugh if the majority of weapons are still trash even with the amp plus a havoc passive and turbocharge. 😛
The only way the vast majority of weapons are viable to even use with or instead of the baseline few superior weapons is to have them VERY upgraded (item levels, leveled barrels, character passives, etc.).
We aren't arguing, we are discussing. There is a massive difference and let's all try to be respectful to one another (for the most part we are). I have tried many of those weapons (I don't own the disciple) and for the most part I find them to be a bit lacking. The viper is ok but that's about it for me. If most weapons are *, that makes enemies feel like bullet sponges, buffing a good amount of guns would alleviate that, if that helps since you agree guns are for the most part under powered. They may not actually be designed to be bullet sponges, but under powered weapons make them feel that. I did play a match with my avenger with a booster and ammo power and it felt good, I just wish that wasn't required to make the Avenger good in silver.
I did learn very early on that vanguard punching stuff was viable, but I really just do not enjoy that play style and won't play it solely. I play it every now and then but it gets stale, I like to switch it up. Unfortunately that and sniping with the vanquisher are the only viable (viable in terms of seeming like a reasonable challenge. I know that more things are "viable" but just not all that satisfying) play styles. I'm for a blackout, but will not pull my support from bioware. I have been playing ME3 a lot and have high hopes that bioware will pull some great balance changes out for us coming within the next two months! It's just not for me atm, my singleplayer experience left a very poor taste in my mouth with the numerous quest bugs I don't play it often, I know they are fixed now and much better but I just gotta get myself back into it. Thank you everyone for discussing this! This is what forums and communities are for, getting ideas out there and showing that we care in our own ways. I'm sure coming soon the game will be good and fun for all us, just some of us will wait for patches.
@MeinChurro you are comparing a SILVER armor to a gold... furthermore you can guarantee NOTHING.
@MEGAF1UX wrote:
@MeinChurro you are comparing a SILVER armor to a gold... furthermore you can guarantee NOTHING.
@MEGAF1UX It's 10%. 😉
@MeinChurro yea, they completely fecked up. unless it has some sort of hidden attribute (like removing the need to ever reload) it is insultingly underpowered.
