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Some of the so called choices made doesnt make sense and it's not how I would have done it if I am really the pathfinder. Eg choosing military or scientific outpost. We will eventually end off with EOS, Kedara, Voeld and Elaadin. Cant we have 2 science and 2 military? Also they claim that this is a significant decision but it does absolutely nothing except some minor conversation changes for some quest(Like sleeping dragon and when you speak with the transgender).
Kedara, Slonne Kelly's a drug lord, if I have my way I would have raided her compound and gunned her down. Or at least have an actual alliance with the collective and a proper battle with the outcast... Instead I am forced to have her back, although I hated her, else I cant proceed, have to pretend to have her back then literally turn a blind eye and turn traitor. Cheapens Ryder as a character.
When Bioware first spoke about taking out the paragon renegade system I bought into the hype, I believed that the personality profile method maybe the way to go as the paragon/renegade system forces you to move 1 direction else you may not have enough paragon/renegade points to unlock a major conversation or decision. When MEA came out, I was obviously excited, first trip to the nexus... Meeting the 4 clowns there... Then realising that in the conversation wheel you have wow... 4 choices!!!
1) To be a Logical Wuss
2) To be a Formal Wuss
3) To be an Casual Wuss
4) To be an Emotional Wuss.
So i thought perhaps it's just the first part of the game, he will grow up... eventually... So Ryder go off and kill kett, made him the MAN! Then after the final mission the last decision that you make, if you chose Reika for example to be the ambassador, Addison and Kesh will verbally beat you down again... And there he is, like in the first encounter with addison.... Absolute wuss. Cant defend himself, cant speak up... just took a lashing... absolutely disgraceful. I dont need to renegade headbutt addision, I just need to firmly put her in her place and stand up for myself and my family. Apparently the hero of the galaxy doesnt have enough of a "quad" to do that. These days I just make the decision and quit or start a new game, I wont even bother going around engaging anyone anymore.
in my head canon i just say to myself... it's ok, ryder's just still a bit frozen, so hopefully with a fleet of coffee mugs, and maybe a heater or two ryder will cowboy/girl up by the next game.
- 9 years ago
@CasperTheLich wrote:
in my head canon i just say to myself... it's ok, ryder's just still a bit frozen, so hopefully with a fleet of coffee mugs, and maybe a heater or two ryder will cowboy/girl up by the next game.
LOL am just hoping for a change in writers before the next MEA and hope its for the better. Hope they realise that young and rookie doesnt equate being a push over.
- ApprovedAnonymous9 years ago
@CasperTheLich wrote:
in my head canon i just say to myself... it's ok, ryder's just still a bit frozen, so hopefully with a fleet of coffee mugs, and maybe a heater or two ryder will cowboy/girl up by the next game.
To be fair, him/her not exactly being ready to be Pathfinder was emphasized greatly (although, how great it was emphasized depended on your choices). You're a guy/gal who's in that young adult stage where you want to still be a rebellious angsty teenager, but you know that you have to do some serious adulting soon.
I don't know how much time it takes Ryder to beat the game (lore wise when I say that). Months? Even though he/she managed to repair an entire alien terraforming system, it doesn't mean he's/she's suddenly all kinds of confident in what he's/she's doing. This is like suddenly promoting the cashier into a District Manager. They'll do it, sure, but it'll be nerve wrecking the whole time.
- ApprovedAnonymous9 years ago
i can see the whole not rocking the boat thing, at first. however after spending a bit of time proving yourself, or rather having your character doing that... you should be able to tell off some of those annoying idiots from time to time. imho our character has been through that baptism by fire, several times by the end of the game. something has to give a bit.
- mcsupersport9 years agoHero+
To be fair, him/her not exactly being ready to be Pathfinder was emphasized greatly (although, how great it was emphasized depended on your choices). You're a guy/gal who's in that young adult stage where you want to still be a rebellious angsty teenager, but you know that you have to do some serious adulting soon.
I don't know how much time it takes Ryder to beat the game (lore wise when I say that). Months? Even though he/she managed to repair an entire alien terraforming system, it doesn't mean he's/she's suddenly all kinds of confident in what he's/she's doing. This is like suddenly promoting the cashier into a District Manager. They'll do it, sure, but it'll be nerve wrecking the whole time.
Yeah, but Ryder may be a bit young, but NOT a teenager....think of the backstory, was in Alliance military, either out digging up relics(female) and fighting off pirates, or guarding a relay(male), then they got out of it when their father's decisions blew up, and finally they joined the initiative. On Habitat 7 He/She talks about being able to handle themselves due to facing pirates/combat before they got out of the military. So they may be youngish early 20s maybe mid 20s, but they sure aren't teens and then after all the experiences of Andromeda...geesh, you would think they would cowboy up pretty fast. The Ryder managed to get the Initiative back onto track, settle multiple worlds, good chance to have saved 3 Arcs, gotten 3 other pathfinders, kicked the heck out of all manner of Kett, proved Addison wrong, showed her up with the Krogan.....Tann too....and still can't tell them to shut up, sit down, and let the Pathfinders do their job......and NO I WASN'T ASKING FOR PERMISSION!!!
Heck, it PMOff when I couldn't take guns into Kadara port and tell Solaone you want them take them from my dead cold hands, if you can find me for all the bodies of your troops......Like ME1 Shepard on the research world.....
- 9 years ago
"Suddenly promoting a cashier to District Manager"? C'mon. He is a 24-27 year old soldier. He's not green. He's 6-9 years into a military career, in a military family, during a heck of a Galactic time for humans. Show me 6 year vet who acts like that. He's not a bloody private anymore. Ready to be a general? No. But the dialogue he uses is akin to an episode of Power Rangers.
And the decisions from the poor dialogue make no difference anyway. Oh no, someone won't talk to you for an hour or so. Not like you just let something catastrophic happen. Or maybe a "Thank you" if you averted the catastrophe.
Patches will help the game, but I doubt many are on the horizon, as there is too much to fix. They would have to spend the kind of money they would to make a "Great" 20 hour campaign expansion (not dlc pack, a real life expansion with dlc fixes included). This is not a $500,000k fix. This is a $10 million dollar usd overhaul. With the $40 million for the entire game including marketing budget they had (far less than any AAA game of this genre I can think of; especially cross platform) the only way is a $29.99 expansion, as EA is notorious for cutting corners. Other than that, this game is what it is. I wish it was called something else, and marketed as a fun sci-fi action rpg.
It's also the only chance they have of an ME:A II (Which I hope there is, as this is not how I want to remember Mass Effect). What bugs me the most? They made all these concessions which took away from the story, the aesthetics, everything, to appease a very vocal minority, who don't buy their games anyway! Then, the ones who did shout "Inclusion" say "You did it wrong. We aren't like that". How do you know? You watched a YouTube video and never bought the game. Just be happy that none of the women are sexually attractive, in either looks or personality.
I made excuse after excuse during the beta, then for a couple weeks post release all over YouTube and Twitter, but after starting a replay of ME 2 (My least favorite of the trilogy, but the only one I have for PC), this game is worse in every way except some external non-sapient graphics (and even those have the light refractions wrong half the time). The combat would have been better if we could tell our companions what to do, but without that option it feels more like a solo run where I am trying to keep my friends from dying all the time. I wish I could just take a Deus Ex approach and do it alone most of the time.
Is it a bad game overall? 50/50? Is it worth $60 usd? I guess, but I'd recommend about 10 different $60 games over it that have come out during the last 3 years in a similar genre. Is it the worst in the Mass Effect Universe? Without a doubt. Is it Bioware's worst game? No! The Baldur's Gate game they released for the PS2 was the worst. That was, idk what that was. I'm not even sure if Bioware made it. If they did not make it, then yes, this is far and away their worst game ever. In my opinion, without that "Throne of Bhaal" quality expansion pack, this should win "Most disappointing of the year".
If we grade like we would in school, and I averaged Story Concept 8, Story Implementation 5, Writing 3, Character Models 4, Exterior/Interior Models 8, Fighting Mechanics/Multi-player 7 (Would be a 9 if we could control our squad a bit), voice acting 8 (Yes, 8. Deniro, Matt Damon, Patrick Stewart, Jessica Alba, Brie Larson, and Drew Barrymore could not have saved this writing; heck an entire Broadway cast from Hamlet could not have made this work), role playing 3, originality 4, immersion 4, inclusion 7, music 6, Fun 5, exploration 6. Let's get an average. Yikes 5.285 . So, by school/university standards, it is a fail by 1.215 pts to get to a "D".
I was enjoying it so much more before I put it down, waiting for a third patch for the PC to help, and started playing ME:2 again (my least favorite in the trilogy, but the only one I have on PC, and I'd only played it once). It just made me realize how lacking this is compared to all the other games. 30 hours in, and I'm not touching it until another patch or expansion comes out. If that means I never play it again, so be it. I'll never purchase a Bioware game again until it is out for at least a month, and nothing from EA except Madden (Because it's my only choice for American football, and the only reason I have a console),
- ApprovedAnonymous9 years ago
I very much enjoy most of ME:A, but even I can't say much more to the title of this thread other than:
Well... no sh!t...