LT abuse is still there
Granted, my defending in these clips is atrocious. I'll concede that. However, just look at the ease in which the offensive player maintains control of the puck while literally going through defender...
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@KlariskraysNHL If you can actually say LT isn’t really a problem with a straight face then that just boggles my mind.
@dustyrytstyk You are right I can say that because it's been in the game for so long that I have come to terms they want it existing. When something doesn't change year after year it shows they are content with it. I gave up long ago asking for certain changes. The goal is obvious they want human highlight reels to showcase.
And NHL is far from a perfect game in my books. It's still just a solid 6 of 10 to me. I'm 95% a 6s player with 5% dabbling in HUT. I don't give feedback in HUT because that supposed to be super crazy. As for EASHL I'm not happy with how they "balance" builds. They decided to raise categories for everyone instead of raising their should be strengths and lowering their should be weaknesses. You can literally play as a dangler and intercept passes as great as everyone else.. I gave my feedback on that stuff already and if they care to use my info so be it. I no longer live for NHL and that is why I just accept stuff over the years.
@TITAN_NHL Yeah timing your pokes is essential now and they need to bump up that dislodge puck power. I don't care if someone is using something to hold onto pucks better it should only work on slight bumps and not pokes.
And NHL is far from a perfect game in my books. It's still just a solid 6 of 10 to me. I'm 95% a 6s player with 5% dabbling in HUT. I don't give feedback in HUT because that supposed to be super crazy. As for EASHL I'm not happy with how they "balance" builds. They decided to raise categories for everyone instead of raising their should be strengths and lowering their should be weaknesses. You can literally play as a dangler and intercept passes as great as everyone else.. I gave my feedback on that stuff already and if they care to use my info so be it. I no longer live for NHL and that is why I just accept stuff over the years.
@TITAN_NHL Yeah timing your pokes is essential now and they need to bump up that dislodge puck power. I don't care if someone is using something to hold onto pucks better it should only work on slight bumps and not pokes.
Sigh. What an embarrassment. Can we all just stop and think about what this game might be like if the dev team wasn’t so completely scared and captured by the twitch disney-on-ice kids. This just isn’t even close to serious.
As if maintaining puck possession and the LT ice-dancing wasn’t absurd enough in ‘22, they elected to turn that garbage into a dumpster fire??? The part that is mind numbing is that this is largely just tuners. They actually tune the game this way on purpose, as if there weren’t clear and obvious reasons that the play of real hockey games resembles nothing like this. Not only that, but they've doubled down on the twitcher fallacy that this reflects some kind of hockey “skill” and “elite” play.
Well, congrats to the 3 of you who wanted even more utter nonsense in your competitive online gameplay … this is the dev team for you!
Stop the nonsense. 2024.
Many of Twitch streamers also dislike the LT movement. I'm part of that community and we have complained about the direction of the game. Sadly only 3 people get listened to and that is the main CM's friends who are LT abusers also. My club friends played them the other night and all they did was LT the whole game. My friend got video of the gameplay. Just sick of not being listened to as a consumer.
I honestly don’t get why so many people think that twitch streamers are the reason why the game is the way it is, or that they want it that way.
Typically if you’re going to be a gameplay streamer for NHL, you’re going to have to be very good at the game, most streamers who aren’t great at the game are menu streamers, like opening hut packs as their content, franchise mode, etc. So in order to be good at the game, you need to do what works, and let’s be real here… if you aren’t abusing game mechanics, you simply won’t compete.
It’s not a matter of whether you think LT skating is dumb or not… if you don’t use it you simply won’t compete with high end players. Whatever EA does to change this game, people will find the meta way of playing it to give themselves every advantage to win regardless of what is perceived as bad gameplay design. You can either complain about it, and continue to play the game in a way that is going to limit your success due to trying to play it like “real hockey”, or you can treat it as what it is… a video game, like any other, that has design flaws that are exploited and used to your advantage.
Dont get me wrong, I’m not defending LT skating at all, imo I think it was a massive blow to the series when they removed the old, and great vision control we used to have and replaced it with backwards skating. They basically removed a defensive tool that was a core part of the game, and replaced it with something that shouldn’t be a core part of the game, and ever since, playing D has felt like a chore just to position your guy in a way you actually want to.
But at the end of the day, I realize this is a game, and being a competitive player I’m going to do whatever I need to do to give myself every advantage possible to win games, and that means learning all the gameplay design flaws and using them to your advantage.
@TITAN_NHL wrote:I honestly don’t get why so many people think that twitch streamers are the reason why the game is the way it is, or that they want it that way.
Typically if you’re going to be a gameplay streamer for NHL, you’re going to have to be very good at the game, most streamers who aren’t great at the game are menu streamers, like opening hut packs as their content, franchise mode, etc. So in order to be good at the game, you need to do what works, and let’s be real here… if you aren’t abusing game mechanics, you simply won’t compete.
It’s not a matter of whether you think LT skating is dumb or not… if you don’t use it you simply won’t compete with high end players. Whatever EA does to change this game, people will find the meta way of playing it to give themselves every advantage to win regardless of what is perceived as bad gameplay design. You can either complain about it, and continue to play the game in a way that is going to limit your success due to trying to play it like “real hockey”, or you can treat it as what it is… a video game, like any other, that has design flaws that are exploited and used to your advantage.
Dont get me wrong, I’m not defending LT skating at all, imo I think it was a massive blow to the series when they removed the old, and great vision control we used to have and replaced it with backwards skating. They basically removed a defensive tool that was a core part of the game, and replaced it with something that shouldn’t be a core part of the game, and ever since, playing D has felt like a chore just to position your guy in a way you actually want to.
But at the end of the day, I realize this is a game, and being a competitive player I’m going to do whatever I need to do to give myself every advantage possible to win games, and that means learning all the gameplay design flaws and using them to your advantage.
I agree with you but I don't think we mean to label all twitch streamers. There's definitely a select few who are from the Gamechangers program (now the EA Creators Network) who definitely have the ear of some EA employees and their feedback is prioritized. These players are notorious for exploiting LT.
I'm someone who argued that LT could be defended against last year and that it wasn't a big deal. I feel slightly responsible in the sense that I should've pushed back against it more. In my defense, I knew that DSS (the way it was in '22) was the most effective tool in combating that nonsense and I was able to successfully shut down top players last year (albeit, not consistently) and I thought maybe LT was meeting its match.
However, they completely neutered DSS this year and seemingly made LTing even MORE effective, if you can believe that.
It tells me all I need to know about whose feedback gets prioritized.
