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MySPARKOFSANITY
3 years ago
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Meaningful Changes For NHL 24

1. Full Crossplay. (With and against, Invites and leaderboards included) 2. Remove 3v3 club and drop-in. Keep 3v3 eliminator. 3v3 is basically an arcade. It should stay that way in 3v3 eliminator. A...
  • MySPARKOFSANITY's avatar
    MySPARKOFSANITY
    3 years ago
    @TTZ_Dipsy wrote:

    2/3-man teams make up the vast majority of clubs - you'd completely kill clubs removing it. There needs to be a major AI overhaul for offline anyway so you might as well tune it to work for clubs too .

    Forcing anyone to play G would certainly sour NHL for them lol, the position plays like total dog poop, my dude.

    I don't personally like the idea of having multiple builds to choose from at will, especially if you want forced 6v6 where everyone would have a "pure" build

    Just to be clear I'm not suggesting you need full 6s lineup to playclub. Just eliminate any option to play with only 2 skaters. The game plays totally different (for the worse) with 2 skaters on the ice, with 3 AI.

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MySPARKOFSANITY
3 years ago
@Tigidooh wrote:

3s club/drop in are actually great, particularly when its late when attempting to fill up a 6s room become near impossible or when you are alone/with only a friend. There's actually a lot of good group/teams playing there late which make up for fun games to close the night.

3 eliminator and One in other hand are....terrible mode.

As for the manual one-timer, not to sound rude but, you need a reality check, pretty sure that somewhere between 95%-99% of the playerbase can't do manual one-timer. Even the best players would miss at least half the time. Its fine the way it is.

At best 3s should only be drop-in IMO. I don't think it should have a place in competitive club play. 

When it comes to manual one-timers, when you give the easy way out players will take it and never learn how to use the manual one-timer. Besides that fact, most competitive online games have some sort of skill gate. If you aren't good enough to use it, that isn't the games fault, that's on you. I'm always going to be for skill instead of automation where possible.

Even in the NHL, there is a gap between players ability to fire consistent one-timers. 

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Tigidooh
Rising Ace
3 years ago

I don't get why you have an issue with 3s club tho. I mean if you dislike the mode, just don't play it? Nobody force you into 3s, stick to 6s, problem solved! Don't get me wrong, its all good if you dislike x or y game mode, I'm not judging at all. I just don't see why you have an issue with and want it out of the game when all you have to do is ignore it if you hate it.

I don't play club anymore...are both 3s and 6s leaderbord all mixed or are they separated? If they are mixed, then I get why you get annoyed...

I will add that if you take 3s down, it mean more group of 2-3 players playing 6s with a bunch of bots, is it what 6s clubs really want?

So for the manual one-timer I get that you always go for it manually? its a video game, not reality, beleive it or not, its a lot easier in real hockey, players in the nhl rarely miss them. It may be a soft shot or miss the net..but they actually hit the puck almost everytimes. Sadly, no, its not that simple in a video game, skilled or not. It may work to some degree in organized group AKA club with group chat and such but can you even imagine how disastrous that would be in the other modes?

I'm no elite player but I'm nonetheless a few steps above the average guy and it's still quite tricky to pull a good/perfectly timed manual one-timer, particularly with random teammates.

  • MySPARKOFSANITY's avatar
    MySPARKOFSANITY
    3 years ago
    @Tigidooh wrote:

    I don't get why you have an issue with 3s club tho. I mean if you dislike the mode, just don't play it? Nobody force you into 3s, stick to 6s, problem solved! Don't get me wrong, its all good if you dislike x or y game mode, I'm not judging at all. I just don't see why you have an issue with and want it out of the game when all you have to do is ignore it if you hate it.

    I don't play club anymore...are both 3s and 6s leaderbord all mixed or are they separated? If they are mixed, then I get why you get annoyed...

    I will add that if you take 3s down, it mean more group of 2-3 players playing 6s with a bunch of bots, is it what 6s clubs really want?

    So for the manual one-timer I get that you always go for it manually? its a video game, not reality, beleive it or not, its a lot easier in real hockey, players in the nhl rarely miss them. It may be a soft shot or miss the net..but they actually hit the puck almost everytimes. Sadly, no, its not that simple in a video game, skilled or not. It may work to some degree in organized group AKA club with group chat and such but can you even imagine how disastrous that would be in the other modes?

    I'm no elite player but I'm nonetheless a few steps above the average guy and it's still quite tricky to pull a good/perfectly timed manual one-timer, particularly with random teammates.

    I guess the biggest problem I see with 3v3 is that It creates less population for 6s. All those players would help the population of the game mode that it was meant to mimic the NHL, and encourage team play. 

    So not playing it because I don't like it doesn't solve that issue.

    As far as manual one-T goes. Why is it a problem that teams that have chemistry and communicate have an advantage? Isn't that what we are trying to promote? Team play and nice hockey plays create goals instead of all individuality. 

    • Tigidooh's avatar
      Tigidooh
      Rising Ace
      3 years ago
      @MySPARKOFSANITY wrote:

      I guess the biggest problem I see with 3v3 is that It creates less population for 6s. All those players would help the population of the game mode that it was meant to mimic the NHL, and encourage team play. 

      So not playing it because I don't like it doesn't solve that issue.

      As far as manual one-T goes. Why is it a problem that teams that have chemistry and communicate have an advantage? Isn't that what we are trying to promote? Team play and nice hockey plays create goals instead of all individuality. 

      I understand what you mean, but then, you bring back another problem by excluding another. Again, if you kill 3s club, all the 2-3 players teams are back in 6s. I wouldnt be surprised if one of the idea in making 3s club/drop in was to solve that exact issue in the first place. So there's no perfect take on this. Personally, I like that mode and it should stay for various reasons.

      Plus, give it his fair chances, with cross-play coming around, 6s club might be easier to fill up again!

      Team that have chemistry and communication already have a huge advantage over randoms in most case, so does making one-timer manual really matter at this point? On top of that, one-T doesnt feel as strong as they used to be and the G this year are much better than previous year on the cross creases.

      Manual one-timer are in the game, its up to you to use it or not, it shouldnt be forced at you. You need to remember this is a video game with a lot of poeples, playing in groups AND individually, not everyones has the same set of skills, time to play or friends to play with, you can't make this fit for the 1% elite group that can handle it and ignore everyone else.

      I wonder how a poll about this would look like, I bet the HUGE majority if not literally everyone (elite players included) would dislike the idea.

      I understand your feeling but the game need to remain accessible for as many poeples as possible if you want the franchise to stay alive. 

      Cheers!

      • MySPARKOFSANITY's avatar
        MySPARKOFSANITY
        3 years ago
        @Tigidooh wrote:
        @MySPARKOFSANITY wrote:

        I guess the biggest problem I see with 3v3 is that It creates less population for 6s. All those players would help the population of the game mode that it was meant to mimic the NHL, and encourage team play. 

        So not playing it because I don't like it doesn't solve that issue.

        As far as manual one-T goes. Why is it a problem that teams that have chemistry and communicate have an advantage? Isn't that what we are trying to promote? Team play and nice hockey plays create goals instead of all individuality. 

        I understand what you mean, but then, you bring back another problem by excluding another. Again, if you kill 3s club, all the 2-3 players teams are back in 6s. I wouldnt be surprised if one of the idea in making 3s club/drop in was to solve that exact issue in the first place. So there's no perfect take on this. Personally, I like that mode and it should stay for various reasons.

        Plus, give it his fair chances, with cross-play coming around, 6s club might be easier to fill up again!

        Team that have chemistry and communication already have a huge advantage over randoms in most case, so does making one-timer manual really matter at this point? On top of that, one-T doesnt feel as strong as they used to be and the G this year are much better than previous year on the cross creases.

        Manual one-timer are in the game, its up to you to use it or not, it shouldnt be forced at you. You need to remember this is a video game with a lot of poeples, playing in groups AND individually, not everyones has the same set of skills, time to play or friends to play with, you can't make this fit for the 1% elite group that can handle it and ignore everyone else.

        I wonder how a poll about this would look like, I bet the HUGE majority if not literally everyone (elite players included) would dislike the idea.

        I understand your feeling but the game need to remain accessible for as many poeples as possible if you want the franchise to stay alive. 

        Cheers!

        People played without 3v3 club in the past. 

        Actually back when the game and population was in a better place. 

        I really think auto 1+timers would be like if between the leg passes was automated. Just passing shouldn't automatically activate something special. Instead you must use the correct controls to take advantage of a special skill.

        Holding right stick forward for 10 seconds waiting for the pass to come your way shouldn't be rewarded. 

        When it comes to goalies being better with them is fine. I was suggesting along with forced manual one-timers, the power also be increased on these significantly. If it's harder the reward should be better.

    • hiperay's avatar
      hiperay
      Seasoned Veteran
      2 years ago

      I agree with @MySPARKOFSANITY  that the One Timers in the game should be more manual and skill based. As I have said before though, I am not talking about that stupid Manual One T windup with LT/L1 and RS. I am referring to the idea that you shouldn't be able to just hold up or spam up on the stick to activate the one timer. My thought is that you have a smaller window when you can actually press up as the pass is coming to you. It still can be a one button activation but the timing of when you press it is dependent upon how quick the pass is coming to you. Also gets rid of the people who just spam up a bunch as that would make your guy (in this game anyways) dive for the shot with the last chance animations. On top of that this would fix the "buffer shot" issue where you wanted to shoot for a puck that was coming to you but bounces off something and as you skate to pick it up the game remembers you wanting to shoot even a second or more later and so your guy just fires it on net from wherever he is. I'm sure the community knows what I am referring to here. 

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