Re: True broadcast camera

Ah I see, so NHL 23 is really for online only players and an arcade game now. I'll stick to NHL 22 and get a refund. This is absolutely ridiculous. Decision making by the dev team with both this and no full presentation has really shown they just don't care. Literally only camera alot of people play with and the only of its type and they switch it now??? Please tell me what is "True" about this broadcast camera. Massive fan for years but this years version has been atrocious with the forced decision making. NHL 23 feels like a beta version still to be honest. 

Thanks for the response EA_AIjo, tell whoever decided this was a good idea that I got a refund for this game because of its removal & will NEVER buy another EA product!

Back on page 4 theres a link to it, but they denied my request because im over the 14 day limit even after I explained they changed features after launch! Thanks EA you owe me $75 for a useless game! So cool that online players are now able to see the whole ice on a camera they will never use! Seriously just make a online only version from now on!

It's simply not a True Broadcast since it doesn't look like what we see on TV. Did you ever see a game on TV from this angle ? Not me. And what about the franchise players who sometimes like to watch CPU vs CPU games ? Where is the fun for them to watch games from that far ?

Hi @EA_Aljo,

I understand your reasoning for gameplay improvements in this new camera angle, however, as others have pointed out, why not add this new angle as an additional choice, I know you know a lot more about making games than I do, but I don’t think there was some camera angle cap that we were at that meant something had to be removed. 

The fact is you simply cannot say that your product has a “true broadcast” angle anymore. True and authentic means that the angle I see in the game is nearly identical to what is on TV. It doesn’t take more than a second to see the new “true broadcast” is not the angle of one single TV broadcast, or even close to for that matter. 

Yes, I see the downsides of the old realistic angle that you pointed out, but that’s the point, the point is that it’s authentic and that’s what matters most for immersion for players like myself. With the loss of full presentation already and now this, simulation players are growing frustrated that this game isn’t even trying to market itself as a true representation of what we watch on TV, and if that’s the route you’ve chosen, then I ask for transparency and not deception. If you read this I appreciate the time and hope that necessary tweaks are possible or at least establishing more transparency before release with the community. 

Honestly I don't think I've ever been this frustrated with a video game company, this response is shocking, and basically just a giant middle finger to all of us.

They INTENTIONALLY took out one of the best features that were implemented in recent years, a camera angle that made you feel like you were watching a real game on TV, and one of the reasons why I keep spending my money on this game year after year. 

So apparently some players don't like this camera? They could choose another one maybe? No, let's just take it out completely, let's just totally ruin the game for others. None of the other cameras are good for me and many others, but I guess they just don't care.

I'm done with this game and this franchise unless it's brought back THIS YEAR. 

@nstumpf1957 I could not have say it better, thanks !

The true broadcast cam has been a staple of the series for close to a decade and like others here, my favorite camera and the only one I've ever used. I have severe visual limitations and that cam is the only one that is playable for me, bitterly ironic given EA's reasoning for abandoning it. Just don't get why it had to be sacrificed given that there are several other camera angles at a distance that are playable for those who prefer that option.

Eliminating that cam, without notice, a month after release when we've been playing with it is definitely not cool at the very least as already mentioned. On top of that, those of us who purchased at launch or shortly thereafter are screwed out of any chance for a refund on a game that no longer is what we paid for. No good deed goes unpunished I guess, such as being a loyal customer of the series. Disappointing, frustrating and exasperating. 

I'm so sad. this was my favorite angle. you will have to forget about the game until you fix it or delete it altogether. what a pity. I knew that everything was done on purpose

You are simply rejecting people who love your product. this is a small detail like a real camera gave a complete immersion in the action. personally. Now I see no reason to play it. Very disappointed, but I hope that in the next patch you will fix this, if not, then you will have to say goodbye to your favorite game.

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So EA didn't have time to make the female hairstyles that are already meshed in available in create-a-player, but they had time to completely redo a camera angle that irritated all these players?  They could have delivered on what they promised, had extra time, and not caused people to get refunds.  Time would have been better spent delivering on what you advertised instead of making sudden changes that are going to irritate people.

I never played with true broadcast, but I did watch a few games in it.  It doesn't make sense to just change it if you haven't checked with players who use it.

Thats just the thing is that didnt even take a poll or ask players if they use it & all they did was make the new camera online friendly

Wow - did I just read that EA intentionally removed the authentic “true broadcast” camera from the series? I honestly thought this was just a glitch due to the recent patch.

That makes the wait and see on full presentation returning a moot point for me. I’m done with EA’s NHL series due to this. I never would have imagined this camera angle would leave the game. I’m honestly perplexed; why not just add this additional angle? 

It seems obvious that EA’s leadership is pushing out the sim market and catering to online/arcade gamers exclusively. 

What a completely bone-headed decision. This has ruined all speculation, intrigue, or hope for NHL 24 for me. 

Seems pretty clear from @EA_Aljo response it's not coming back this year.

We will take your feedback around the changes to this camera into consideration as we continue work on the franchise for future releases

This could all be easily resolved to everyone's satisfaction with a custom camera view. It's about to be 2023 and not having that option is pretty ridiculous, it's been around in past sports games for years.

Such a shame that as the game finally has evolved to a really decent state that they yank the basic platform that we true broadcast users love to play it on out from under us. I'm sure we're the very minority voices in this matter even though I would guess many here have bought the game for years (I go back to NHL 94). Before there was HUT and packs, we were part of the foundation that helped to keep this series going.

Again, it's just bitterly disappointing to have our passion dismissed and be treated as disposable. And especially irksome to be tossed aside after we've paid our money for the game we wanted, which is gone for us now. Having no voice as a consumer sucks and is a lousy way to be treated by the company you've supported for years. 

Let’s do some critical thinking here and ask ourselves why this would be an included feature at launch - one that’s been around for a decade by the way - only to be removed with a patch a month later? 

Maybe I’ve been too soft on EA with the benefit of doubt talk. This almost feels like a knee-j*rk reaction to the full presentation feedback debacle. “They don’t like the lack of immersion, huh? Well let’s remove the authentic True Broadcast angle too.”

There really is no viable reason why this couldn’t have been a debut camera angle addition without cutting True Broadcast. They removed this for a reason, and they have to know how exclusively it’s used by the simulation community. 

They scour YouTube, Reddit, these forums, Operation Sports, and all of these communities feature franchise/sim players who broadcast their games, meticulously test sliders, and enjoy simulating NHL Hockey to the closest degree possible. 

This decision has literally destroyed that. And with this being such a recent change, I cannot wait to dig into Operation Sports and Reddit to witness all the ensuing outrage in the coming weeks.

I’m honestly shocked. I bought a Series X six months ago and the first game I bought was NHL 22. In fact, it is still the only game I’ve purchased. I dabble in free play and I have EA’s GamePass (cancelling that shortly), but I essentially bought the console because I missed playing hockey. (Last played NHL 15)

I also bought a $4 copy of NHL 19 because it had such a better presentation package than the recent releases. Thank god for sliders and a physical disc copy. 

I can’t stress enough how this decision has completely eliminated my interest in this series. I have spent a month on these forums, signing up originally just to read feedback on NHL 23 after I played the trial and saw presentation was completely nuked. And I was overjoyed to see the community respond (rightfully so) with passion and infuriation over these horrid decisions. I was engaged and excited that EA addressed this and noted they would be making active changes.

And now here we are - the patch has released, and we see cookie cutter pathetic intros for the remaining teams. No confirmation on the return of Full Broadcast. And despite EA telling us our feedback was loud and clear, they further decide to TAKE AWAY our True Broadcast camera angle?

There wasn’t one sane person on the development team that didn’t suggest they just simply ADD this new angle, without removing a beloved authentic feature we’ve accepted as a staple in this series for a decade?

There is something seriously calculated and tone deaf about these decisions. I’m so frustrated.

I just don’t know what to say.

This is horrible if the idiot decision is to take the true broadcast angle away completely but then inform in the patch notes so people have a chance not to use that patch or do i miss something here?if you don't atleast have the true broadcast angle still in the game not take it completelt away!Ea continues to get rid of fans with the risk never buying another game again that is very clever or is it.

Just wow!

You can see why the post imploded after EA's response. Just shocking decision making.

First the Presentation - which was promised a whole new one and they actually removed the option of having full presentations from the game, and now removing a fan favourite gameplay angle from the game in secrecy - which makes this even shadier. That's really bad.

Glad I didn't buy the game yet - as I was playing on trial via Game Pass - now I'm 100% sure I won't be getting it.

Terrible decision making, EA. Just ADD the new camera don't REPLACE it.... 

They have clearly broken yet another feature and don’t know how to fix it or don’t want to spend money on it. Why just not add a new camera? Instead they they write a fancy press release to “save” their faces...

It is very very clear now to me that Ea NHL is going to be a online game.To fool so many this year as possible before the release of NHL 23 they presented new presentations futures game day atmosphere and so on which was a damn lie and now after a few months they take away the best offline camera angle just to get so many people fouled in belief that the game was the best NHL game in presentation and true hockey atmosphere to this day and in reality it was the complete opposite.

Wow! Just, Wow!!?? So whilst all other sports game developers add new features with every new iteration of there titles EA continue to remove features annually. Here’s the thing though the camera angle is clearly labelled “True Broadcast” which according to your own marketing of the title represents exactly what we see on NHL broadcast camera angles at each specific arena. Remind me again what True Braodcast camera films footage from the rafters of the arena ??….

Regardless of the statement i personally don’t believe a word of it and hey if the “community” asked for this feature to be removed please feel free to point me in the direction of that forum thread as I’ve found NOTHING! Your game claims to be universally accessible and yet you’ve made it impossible to follow the action for those with visual impairments. If I load up Madden I have broadcast, FIFA I have the same yet NHL you’ve now removed it! Why?? Just add the option back and STOP removing features, every other developer adds features each year without removing why on earth would you feel it necessary to keep removing features and feel that your consumers will appreciate less and less features with each passing title.