Tips for Defending in '23
Seems like many people have some gripes about defense - myself included. Over the last couple of weeks, I've refined and adjusted defensively, and I feel that I've gotten more comfortable in defendin...
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@bruanor09 wrote:we need a function to interrupt the animation of the throw. we need back broken sticks, loss of stick. Interrupting the skating animation with stiks taken away. The puck should be able to just get off the blade.
Freedom for puck!!)) 🙌
There are things that may be realistic that are not "fun". Having your stick break at a critical moment is not "fun".
@IceLion68 and when you score a goal in a critical moment ? Does the opponent's stick go through your stick? or the puck passes under the ice, otherwise it would have hit your stick, but a mystical force attracts it under the ice. is it really better?
EA_AljoCommunity Manager
Unfortunately, clipping is common in video games. While the stick can clip through the ice, you should still be able to contact the puck. Unless the stick is passing through another object. The same goes for those situations where sticks are passing through each other. You shouldn't be able to control the puck in those situations.
Broken sticks are fine for offline play, but we had complaints about them in online play. They were more frustrating than fun. Nobody wants a stick to break at a crucial point in a highly competitive, online game. It's something you didn't have control over so those situations were even more disappointing.
- @EA_Aljo said - "It's something you didn't have control over so those situations were even more disappointing."
Can you explain whats in your power to control and whats not in your power to control?
Yeah you cant control when broken stick will happen but how do you control when anything will happen in this game?
@bruanor09 wrote:
@IceLion68and when you score a goal in a critical moment ? Does the opponent's stick go through your stick? or the puck passes under the ice, otherwise it would have hit your stick, but a mystical force attracts it under the ice. is it really better?I am referring to when in NHL14 sticks used to break when trying to shoot, with no contact from other players.
- EA_Aljo
Most everything is under your control. Broken sticks were not so they could be very frustrating to deal with when you weren't expecting them. Off the top of my head, I can't think of anything else currently that you can't control, but if I'm wrong, I'm sure you all will point that out 🙂
@EA_Aljo
And how do you mean 'Most everything' is under your control?
You can aim a shot up or down, that you control, but you cant really control the effect/outcome of the shot.
Thats why Im asking myself, and you, hehe, does it really mather if you control broken sticks or not, when a lot of thing looks to be pretty random/out of control.
You can control 1 player at the time, the rest just happen..- EA_Aljo
There are of course some RNG elements, but good aim absolutely helps shots find the back of the net. I'm talking about things completely out of your control like broken sticks.
Broken sticks are part of the game and I love it ! Yes it’s frustrating when it happens, especially when you have that golden opportunity, but it’s part of hockey…
Same thing when your teammates takes penalties, when the opponent goalie stands on his head. All out of your control, but that’s what it’s all about ! 😀
The problem with broken glass, hitting into the boards, and shattered sticks back in the day were that they happened way too frequently. You can't really blame the studio for that sort of thing either since there isn't an actual RNG slider you can tweak to hit the "sweet spot".
We can control, with fairly high authority, shot aim, poke and body checking, and success rate on dekes. To my knowledge, you can't really control one-timers up close, charging, auto defense/offensive pickups, and how tips are aimed.
@PernellKarl027
Yeah hockey is much out of control, that what makes it so cool when actually Connor Mcdavid control something in 25mph, should not be possible.
Broken sticks 'totally random' yes, but same for all, plus it add spice aaaand frustration... And ofc, realism.On good and bad.
- And broken sticks dosent have to be totally random just taken from the sky..
I think you can say when players are put under pressure, thats usually when it happen, you need to be smooth with sticks today or else you increase the risk of a broken stick a lot, I think thats the reason why I often see it happen in 'worst case scenarios'.
When players are going too hard.
But ofc you dont want this to happen every time 'it could happen'.
So the probability/the risk for it to happen, when 'it actually could happen' still needs to be really low.
Perhaps difficult to get a 'realistic feeling with RNG' on such a thing...
* RNG is the acronym used for the term Random Number Generator, but there is so much more that goes on beneath the surface. RNG in video games is basically an algorithm that randomly decides a number value and implements it into the game when called for, which can change the course of a game drastically. the stick is not a barrier to the throw
- EA_Aljo
It doesn't look like the puck is hitting the stick. I would need to see a better replay to know for sure though.
@EA_Aljo написал (-а):It doesn't look like the puck is hitting the stick. I would need to see a better replay to know for sure though.
No no, puck not hitting the stick. Stick hitting stick. I know that not working. it's just so insulting, you're so close. And you can't do anything. ) not error or bug.I really look forward and hope for nhl24
- EA_Aljo
In most cases, sticks colliding will knock the puck loose. Again though, the video isn't very conclusive. I really need to see a better angle that shows if the sticks are contacting or not.
- EA_Aljo
That's better, but you still can't tell if the sticks are passing through each other. The camera moves behind the carrier blocking the view.
- @EA_Aljo no sticks pass through. physically, everything is fine. I just want to pay attention to how much you have to play perfectly in defense. you're close. you're on the stick. stick beats stick, but the throw is made.
and you can't give advice. passively - the pass passes, poke - the pass will pass. the triangle is useless. hit - slowly, until you raise your hands, the pass has passed. )) this is not a claim, it's just my pain) - EA_Aljo
Thank you for the feedback, @bruanor09
@bruanor09What's wrong with the clip? Everything we know of the mechanics says nothing was there to cause a problem. I see no stick on stick to potentially stop it. So explain more what the actual problem is judging from the game mechanics.
Lmao didn't see the next page with more talk.
Anyway always expect defense to be the hardest thing. Defense doesn't sell fun and excitement. It brings up how boring the trap area of hockey was.
- EA_Aljo
@KlariskraysNHL wrote:
@bruanor09What's wrong with the clip? Everything we know of the mechanics says nothing was there to cause a problem. I see no stick on stick to potentially stop it. So explain more what the actual problem is judging from the game mechanics.
Lmao didn't see the next page with more talk.
Anyway always expect defense to be the hardest thing. Defense doesn't sell fun and excitement. It brings up how boring the trap area of hockey was.
Yep. Defense isn't the go-to position for most since you don't get the accolades for scoring, but for some of us, it's incredibly satisfying shutting down the other team's offense 🙂
- @EA_Aljo Just think when playing goalie how much you love that dman playing a pass out in front great and you are expecting it to be broken up but alas it doesn't and you get torched in net... That would be me in net. I stopped being angry long ago and simply just laugh now.
- EA_Aljo
I haven't played goalie in years. It's bad enough getting scored on as a D man. Every single goal against I feel at least partly responsible for since it's my job to not let pucks get to the net. I couldn't take the stress of actually playing goalie. That'd just drive me crazy lol.
- Without defense there would be no fun in scoring.
So offens would be nothing without defense. 😁
@EA_Aljo написал (-а):Unfortunately, clipping is common in video games. While the stick can clip through the ice, you should still be able to contact the puck. Unless the stick is passing through another object. The same goes for those situations where sticks are passing through each other. You shouldn't be able to control the puck in those situations.
Broken sticks are fine for offline play, but we had complaints about them in online play. They were more frustrating than fun. Nobody wants a stick to break at a crucial point in a highly competitive, online game. It's something you didn't have control over so those situations were even more disappointing.
I'll say it again, I'm not against such D-man mistakes. even such mistakes happen in reality.
"Nobody wants a lose puck at a crucial point in a highly competitive, online game"
If this is a normal random event.
Then a broken club is a normal accidental
event.
Touch board -> puck loss is a normal random event.L2/LT skating -> puck loss is a normal random event.
Touching the stick-stick -> the loss of the puck is a normal random event.
touching bodies -> puck loss is a normal random event.
And that would be cool. It is necessary to untie the puck from the player much more often.
Defense can be insanely fun to play - it just needs to work properly. To me, the biggest problem with defense is how step by step it is; there is no fluidity to movements and that extra split second is all it takes to sour the experience.
I'm not saying we need more auto animations and stuff, we just need our avatar to react as fast as we do
